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According to a National Public Radio News Story this morning...
 
Experts associated with the containment effort are on record
saying that - in the event that this latest effort fails -
 
... it is likely that the oil leak will continue to spew unchecked until
late this year when the drilling of two relief wells is complete.
 
R.I.P., Gulf Of Mexico. So sorry about us humans.  Dead
 
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SADLY!!! ...As we discussed over a month ago here on SoulfulPlanet....
Look at this...



so what's left... the nuke?

PUT THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THAT LET THIS HAPPEN IN JAIL !!!

AND SIEZE THEIR ASSETS. PERIOD.

THEY MADE BIG OIL, HUGE PERSONAL PROFITS WHILE IN ELECTED OFFICE OVER THE LAST DECADE

and now, WE GET STUCK WITH THIS!!!

Over the last decade corrupt politicians being buddy buddy with big oil...
obviously fell asleep at the back up plan, oversight wheel... just
follow the money, trace the oil lobby money, payoffs, graft and bring them to justice!!!

THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS RIGHT... BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO!!!
so...
GO FOR THE GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!






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          There will be huge amounts of money to be
 made concerning this disaster, and the oil companies
 will not be making much of it... directly, that is.
       The price of crude is now very low. There is a glut
 of oil on the market, regardless of what you hear.
     The last big increase in the price of crude, when we were paying $4.50 a gallon for gas was caused by a
 bunch of speculators manipulating the price. That
 huge increase in price was man made, and not really
 connected to supply and demand.
      If the speculators were removed from the game,
 the price of crude would have stayed very low, like it
 has been for months and months.
      This Gulf disaster should have caused the crude
 prices to skyrocket, but the supply is so high..the
 disaster hasn't phazed the price, supply or fueled
 increased demand.
        I heard Obama speak just yesterday, and he let
 something slip out that said more about this disaster
 than anything reported in the media so far.....
     In essence, he said something to the effect that
 the government must pass Carbon legislation that
 will generate the funds needed to clean up this mess.
    Carbon legislation?????????
       To me, that sounds like passing "Cap and Trade"
 with some warped perception that BP can't pay the
 ultimate clean-up bill..and that government must
 "come to the rescue" of the Gulf and It's residents.
       The continuation of the "Cap and trade" bullshit
 story will be that it will fund the new "Clean and green"
 jobs, the windmills,the batteries,the solar panels, etc,
 etc. This story will be bought by the clueless public
 as some sort of last resort to free us from the hands
 of big oil interests.
       I don't think Obama was ready to see "Cap and Trade fall under the bus. The perception of global
 warming will not die a natural death when there is
 a man made ecological disaster underway, and
 everybody is blaming big oil. It almost sounds like
 this rig..was rigged, you dig?
      Topping the well head with a "Cap"..... More talk
 now about Cap and Trade has my eyebrows quivering
 in the "Up position".
    When you follow the money, the reality will start
 to sink in. The longer this well spews oil, the closer
 we will be to being hyjacked into cap and trade.
      If this sounds too diabolical to believe, why is
 this administration dragging it's feet to get the
 cleanup going full force? If they were doing even a
 half-assed job, why are we seeing all the media
 video of dead and dying wildlife on every channel,
 and not massive cleanup efforts ? it's not like they
 haven't had time to get it done.
 
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Toad... Speaking of "Lets Cap"
here's a screen grab from 2 seconds ago... live from the BP feed...


http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


Going on LIVE right now... well, last hours spent on de-tangling the hoses on the most
"Rube Goldberg / Murphy's Law In Effect" looking "thing'
I've ever seen in a live video stream.

If this works... there is hope for humanity... but with the looks of this thing, and what has already gone wrong in the last 4 hours... I doubt it!

Everyone should watch this... BP Engineers... They are trying hard to get it done... but obviously flying in uncharted territory of "fix it on the fly" mode.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/ (((LIVE STREAM CLICK HERE )))


AN UNBELIEVABLE LESSON IN

DO NOT MESS WITH THE FORCES of MOTHER NATURE GOING ON LIVE RIGHT NOW!!!!

They just put the 'Cap' on top of the severed riser atop the BOP, and at first the well head gushing oil stream blew it right off... it's now back on... and...
it is simply being overwhelmed! Unbelievable forces at work here!

Look at this!!!

Ok... it's on...

...but then...

(Watch Live from BP (Click here)


Jeez!!! Remember that line from JAWS...

"...We're gonna need a bigger boat" Exactly! OMG!



(Watch Live from BP (Click here)


How does one define... "it's working?"


(Watch Live from BP (Click here)


It's like this monster, killer oil gusher is really pissed off now.



UPDATE... It is now an Hour later... time has gone by since the shot above, and it looks no different, with the arm of an ROV holding a small 3 or 4 inch relief valve wide open, and the surrounding scene looks the same.
Sadly... just looking at what I'm seeing live... it is not looking good.


Look...

(Watch Live from BP (Click here)



Yikes!


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This leak will spew for another seven months. Unchecked.
 
They've nothing - no plan, no device - that will stop it.
 
Since the drilling has been underway for the two relief wells,
that will be the government's excuse to not exercise the nuclear option.
It worked for the Russians once, but the public outcry here would be too
great; Obama will never green-light an atomic detonation.
 
So we'll all sit and watch as one far-fetched plan after another to cap the leak fails,
the Gulf of Mexico becomes deader than Lake Erie in 1969, and unknown
reaches of ocean become fouled with oil and toxic coagulants.
 
And once again, we'll watch those most affected by this tragedy take it on the chin
as the companies directly responsible for this mess swiftly become
protected against further liability by their lawyers, and our government.
 
BP Plc, Transocean Ltd. and Halliburton Co. will live to see another day.
All those fishermen and their families are done for good. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Jeff & Mixey &Toad...

I hear You ... and i'm afraid You are all correct.

This is a disaster beyond imagination!!!

(((What's next... Wait until the floor of the Gulf caves in, and creates a tsunami... during a hurricane?)))

Jeez!!! Overwhelming thoughts!!!

Ok going back to the simple math here of the problem at hand...

The cut and mangled sheered off riser pipe is 20 inches wide,
It is wide open now, and under extreme pressure... filled with expanding methane gas as it escapes, and obviously crude oil.
The Cap "riser pipe" (now sitting loosely on top of the sheered off BOP riser) headed to the surface. looks to be like 9 or 10 inches wide...

huh?

Like 6 fire hoses firing into 2 or 3 huh?

Like Mixey said... shouldn't it be like 20 feet wide straight to the surface? But whoops, oh yeah... its in deep water a mile deep.   Maybe they forgot to think about that minor detail when they were drilling.

Anyway, so at first when they put the "Cap" (#4) on top of the mangled riser, with topside probably in "full suck" mode, it looked OK for a few seconds... then raw mother nature and physics mayhem took over!!!

Look at these screen grabs from the Live BP Feed....















Was this the "back up plan" for a worst case scenario in deep water drilling?

Screen grabs above from the BP Live Video ROV Feed, here:
and that poor ROV is still holding on to the relief valve...

(Watch Live Feed from BP - Click here)


p.s. I tried to catch the Local News in the middle of all of this.
I saw none of this being covered "live" on TV... can this be?



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           It is obvious now that there needs to be
 someone to step up and take total control of this
 situation. There is many more than just one objective
 to be addressed.
          It is also obvious that the authority to make
 things happen is being "shared" by a bunch of fools
 who may have a position of minor power, but not having even
 slight expertise in getting anything meaningfull done.
      I have observed some of the methods they are
 using to skim off surface sludge..and these methods
 are a complete joke. Any septic tank cleaner company
 could show them the best method..that is fool proof.
       The "Cap" they attempted to place on top of
 the well head is also a joke. They should be attempting
 to stuff very heavy slugs of lead into the pipe to reduce
 the flow rate and volume. Once the flow and volume
 is reduced, it should be much easier to collect the
 remaining oil that would still be flowing.. if any is.
     The method that will shut down this volcano
 of oil will be a simple thing, and not some complicated
 machinery. If a simple method works, there will be
 many people with egg on their face, so the simple
 methods will be the LAST thing tried.
      A true leader would not be afraid to try any logical
 idea..if it has a chance to work.
 
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        You won't see this demonstration on the
 nightly news.... The question is Why?
 
 
    Too simple a fix ??
 
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President Obama stated on Larry King last night that HE is responsible for holding BP accountable.  He stated the other day in a speech that the ultimate responsibility is his.  It was revealed on the ABC Nightly News last night that the Coast Guard and Obama's Homeland Security chief knew the severity of the spill from the beginning - however, they went along with BP in leading the public to believe oil was coming out at a much slower rate than it was.  In fact, they helped to keep the films of the spill from the media.  ABC News showed the statements made by an Admiral and Obama's Homeland Security chief at the time.  Perhaps they should be fired and prosecuted along with the others who have lied or played footsy with the oil companies.
 
Looks like they'll be plenty of blame to go around before this is over.  What this points out is the inefficiency of the federal government to deal with disasters such as this.  Reminds me of Katrina, however this is much worse in different ways.  This is President Obama's Katrina.
 
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        Rumors have it that Goldman/Sachs dumped
 200 billion worth of BP stock before the rig blew up.
     There were alledged to be about 10 "New" guys,
 working for Haliburton that showed up at the rig
 shortly before it blewup. The other workers on the
 rig didn't know who they were, or why they were there.
     Boots and Coots was bought by Haliburton just
 before the rig blewup. Wierd timing..eh?
 
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This is President Obama's Katrina.
 
 
 
You got that right Dream!
 
 
Watch the liberals try to find a way to blame this on George Bush though.
Anybody else missing George Bush besides me?
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Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

        Rumors have it that Goldman/Sachs dumped
 200 billion worth of BP stock before the rig blew up.
     There were alledged to be about 10 "New" guys,
 working for Haliburton that showed up at the rig
 shortly before it blewup. The other workers on the
 rig didn't know who they were, or why they were there.
     Boots and Coots was bought by Haliburton just
 before the rig blewup. Wierd timing..eh?
 
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MY GOODNESS - if it's true, Toad, that Goldman/Sachs dumped 100 billion worth of BP stock just before the rig blew up - that's another tie to the Obama administration since there are a number of former G/S execs working in his administration.
 
In fairness - former G/S execs also worked in the Bush & Clinton administrations.
 
I'm sure there are lots of rumors flying around at this point - hopefully the Obama administration's AG Eric Holder will sort it all out in an honest fashion.  I'm not holding my breath on it though.
 
MM,  I'm sure many will try to blame this on Bush - who was not associated with Haliburton.  It won't pass the straight face test with me because no one blamed Clinton when the levies broke in NO right after Katrina.  (His administration was warned numerous times those levies were ready to give way in any serious weather.)  Everyone blamed Bush because Katrina & it's aftermath happened on HIS watch.  That's the way it works. 
 
This oil spill happend on Obama's watch - no one elses.  Any attempts to blame this problem on previous administrations will fall short.  It's Obama's administration that is in charge - he has stated so himself.  It's impossible to blame Bush for the Obama administration's handling of this disaster.  So far, they're not doing very well and it gets back to the inefficiency of the federal government I referred to before.  Administrations before the Bush administration were playing cozy with the oil companies, too.  Anyone who thinks Obama's administration is not doing the same is naive at best.
 
This is Obama's Katrina.
 
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Dream, Toad. MickeyMac good points all around, in all directions.
Bottom line our elected officials present and past fell down on the job of keeping Big Oil in check with reasonable, fair, stewardship style regulation for deep water drilling and they failed in looking out for the rest of us...
let alone the "behind closed doors deals" and "secret ops" stuff.

Ethics?   Safety? Stewardship? Doing what's right?
Nah... PROFITS at EVERYBODY ELSE's EXPENSE!
... until it backfired. And even then... they'll come out unscathed. Sad.

Big Oil was just trying to make more greedy $$$billions$$$ in profit
for themselves while the rest of us go poor and watch the damages rendered ...
What a lovely system we have.
Deep Water Drilling Without Tested Back Up Plan -
Reality Check 101

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        I try to refrain from attacking Obama. I don't
 feel the need to attack him personally for the decisions
 made by the elite that installed him into the White House.
           When he sets himself up for a spanking, I will
 let fly. He has said that he is taking responsibility
 for this disaster, and he will be taking charge of how
 it is addressed. Someone MUST take charge. Someone
 in a position of power. Obama is now claiming that
 power as HIS. He says he is taking charge.
    
     If this is how he thinks "taking charge" works,
 the people in the Gulf are in big trouble.Dead
 
     My post about Goldman/Sachs selling shares was
 not accurate. They sold 4 million shares, and the price
 was dictated by the going price of those shares at the
 time of the sale. I'm not sure what that price was at that time.
   
   Listen to James Carville speak about what Obama
 should be doing...and he is a Democrat.Confused
 top video of this post.ConfusedOuchConfusedOuchConfused
 
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This forum is full of attacks on George Bush, for everything he did during his eight years in office.  There's a new president and administration now and I see no problem with pointing out his failures.  It makes no difference how he got into office.  The fact is he's there and he wanted the job.  If we can attack previous presidents, there's no law that says we cannot criticize the current one. 
 
The people of the Gulf are in big trouble and people all the way up the Atlantic coast could be. 
 
This is Obama's Katrina.
 
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Toad YES!!
A Simple Solution is almost always the one that works best.
Love the heavy lead ingots idea... makes total sense...

BUT then again

THINK ABOUT THIS... closing off the well makes them (BP) NO MONEY and the jobs they have must move to other countries.
Letting the well to continue to leak and putting what oil they can "suck" into "production" for 7 months has a financial benefit... IT STILL DOES MAKE THEM MONEY.
Listen for that key word "PRODUCTION" in the News reports... ... not "KILLING THE WELL FOREVER".

Money Money Money!

ALSO!!!!
This video that You posted is a great idea, and it puts farmers to work.
(Repost of Toad's Link) -


and there's more...


and now, Video from A Month ago...
AND this was when the GUSHING was just getting started
IT"S FAR WORSE NOW...
HOPELESS!!!


and some sobering thoughts...

The Video Poster writes:
wepollock May 15, 2010 Main Stream media, big oil, big law, and government have intentionally failed to reveal the truth. We see a scramble to limit liabilities, pass blame, shirk responsibility, and preserve cash investment in a well destined to cause unmeasurable ecological disaster and trillions in monetary damage. Our dissonance in this regard represents a breakdown in our society, governance, and cumulative ethicThis Gulf Spill Montage of available footage (from amateur and government sources) shows the true scope and size of this catastrophe. -"



and despite ALL of the well meaning efforts to "Cap" this nightmare...

Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen said today to the press:

"Progress is being made, but we need to caution against overoptimism," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's point man for the crisis. Early in the day, he guessed that the cap was collecting 42,000 gallons a day less than one-tenth of the amount leaking from the well."
from:

Anger grows as BP disaster reaches Florida Panhandle's beaches; BP pins its hopes on well cap
Published June 03, 2010 | Associated Press (read full story click here)

Deep Water Drilling Without Tested Back Up Plan -
Reality Check 101

... less than 1/10th. REALLY... So... 9/10ths is STILL GUSHING!!!!

Yo Big Oil, really great freakin' backup plan!


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Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

This forum is full of attacks on George Bush, for everything he did during his eight years in office.  There's a new president and administration now and I see no problem with pointing out his failures.  It makes no difference how he got into office.  The fact is he's there and he wanted the job.  If we can attack previous presidents, there's no law that says we cannot criticize the current one. 
 
The people of the Gulf are in big trouble and people all the way up the Atlantic coast could be. 
 
This is Obama's Katrina.
 
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RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Thumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20UpThumbs%20Up
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Perspective on Big Oil - Past Behavior - Look at this:

Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill.
The US and Europe ignore it - The Deepwater Horizon disaster caused headlines around the world, yet the people who live in the Niger Delta have had to live with environmental catastrophes for decades -
Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill (- full story here)

"... There is an overwhelming sense that the big oil companies act as if they are beyond the law. Bassey said: "What we conclude from the Gulf of Mexico pollution incident is that the oil companies are out of control."

"It is clear that BP has been blocking progressive legislation, both in the US and here. In Nigeria, they have been living above the law. They are now clearly a danger to the planet. The dangers of this happening again and again are high. They must be taken to the international court of justice." ...
Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill (- full story here)



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          Dream, this disaster IS Obama's.... empty hook,
line, and sinker. I watched his speech from the Gulf
 today, and the only thing he had to say placed all the
 blame and responsibility on BP. He talked about the
 dividends and money they have spent on their image,
 and said they should be more concerned about paying
 the gulf fishermen. He seems obsessed with the money
 flow, and said NOTHING about any plans the government might have in place to address the oil
 volcano, or how they plan to capture any floating oil.
      I think this guy is showing himself to be the
 MOST inept President I have ever seen...bar none.
    [see my above post..today 5:01 pm]
       I think Donald Duck would have more vision on
 what needs to be done than Mr. Obama.
      If he has experts,guiding him on this spill, they
 may be more inept than him.
      If this disaster compromised Illegals,gays,Muslims and union people..he may be working harder to get it
 fixed.[I'm not being sarcastic]
        Me to the President: "It's not all about the money....yet." It's about the environment, the Marine
 wildlife, and the life or death of the Gulf of Mexico...
 and soon to be Atlantic seaboard."
 
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Toad, on that we can agree!!!!Thumbs%20Up  I just saw him saying the same things on the ABC Evening News.  He's trying to defray criticism of his administration's failings to address this disaster by changing the subject of the bottom line and placing blame elsewhere.  His PR mishaps and attempts at damage control are doing nothing to help the people, environment and wildlife of the Gulf coast and beyond.
 
I will admit BP's ad - which also just played on ABC - is a nightmare.  BP and the administration keep making mistake after mistake while the damage caused by this disaster is getting well beyond repair.
 
This is Obama's Katrina and it's getting worse.Angry
 
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