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Solar energy, anyone?
 
 
Oh ...   right.
 
 
Never mind.  
 
 
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Jeff, Exactly!
All of this money being wasted here trying to contain this gushing out of control disaster could have been better spent on making solar and wind make more sense.... or the $$$$ could have been used to drop gas prices at the pump by a couple of bucks a gallon for the whole world stuck in these tough economic times... or at least used for something "useful"... not to mention that 11 more people might be alive today...

But as Jeff said well...
    "Oh ...   right.
     Never mind."





and...


Why The Next Step Of The Deepwater Fix Is Incredibly Dicey
Joe Weisenthal | May 30, 2010, 11:22 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/lmrp--risks-2010-5
"once BP goes for it:
Step 1 - Position the LRMP cap close to BOP.
Step 2 - Do another top kill to buy a few minutes of no oil and gas spewing. At least try for a few moments of reduced pressure.
While the top kill did not work, the mud did stop or reduce the gusher for a few moments.
Step 3 - Using the few moments when the top kill stops the oil and gas or reduce the pressure of the gusher, position the LMRP very quickly.
Step 4 - Engage the sealing grommet around the sheared off riser pipe.
Step 5 - Pray and hope.
Do no harm any more."... ...

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/lmrp--risks-2010-5#ixzz0pQmzh7NY

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... anyone placing friendly bets on the "success" of this one?

Wishing them "well", let's watch...

BP's Live Feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV)



the BP Live feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV) (click here)








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           When you think over the years since concerned citizens forced big business and the government to clean up the polluted environment..air, land, and waterways,...

   Now, one stinking deep water well makes all that former effort seem like a total waste of time and money.
      This man-made disaster makes everything else look pale in comparison.
       The myth that BP will pay for all of this is nearly as
 stupid as the lame excuses of why it happened.
     it's just like the Banks and FED causing the housing
 crisis...and who gets stuck paying? Are we to believe
 that something as simple as a gate valve couldn't
 be installed on this well pipe somewhere..before the
 drilling even started? A series of gate valves?
   No device available to vent off gas bubbles?
       If this was the first underwater well ever sunk,
 I could understand if they fell into some unexpected
 issues, but they have been sinking these wells for
 a very long time, and have had plenty of other
 accidents to learn from..both on land and in the oceans.
       Imagine how much alternative energy projects
 could be funded with the money that will be spent on
  this mess. Ethanol,Methanol,bio-diesel from switchgrass,algae,hemp oil,coal oil,etc.etc.  Instead of
any of that, we have a few government paid clowns
 running around the beaches donning haz-mat suits,
 doing photo ops for the president's second "Visit" to
 the diaster site after over a full forty days.
       If this isn't the best example that we can have
 no sound faith or trust in our government, I don't
 what would be. Do we need a bigger example?
   Maybe some freak sneeking a nuke across our open
 borders?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MickeyMac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2010 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by Jeff Jeff wrote:

Solar energyLlL, anyone?
 
 
Oh ...   right.
 
 
Never mind.  
 
 
 
 
 
Larry Hagman has solor energy in his home.  Hey if its good enough for J.R.
Anybody else missing George Bush besides me?
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"Imagine how much alternative energy projects
 could be funded with the money that will be spent on
  this mess. Ethanol,Methanol,bio-diesel from switchgrass,algae,hemp oil,coal oil,etc.etc."
 
 
Bingo, Toad.
 
 
Bing-O.
 
 
Just imagine!
 
 
 
 
Oh... right.  Never mind.
 
 
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             There is much talk going on now that the
 Youtube [live feed] video is not really the "Big leak"...
   There is a huge plume of oil, six miles away from this
 live action video, that is the size of several states on
 the East Coast. This plume may be caused by an even
 bigger leak that BP is not disclosing at this time.
    The plume is of a heavy viscosity..that is not going
 up to the Ocean's surface. Some are saying it is
  below the surface, because of the chemical dispersals
 used by BP...and that BP used them on purpose to
 hide the real amount of oil spilling into the Gulf.
      They are saying there may be this bigger leak,
 and BP won't admit it exists.
  
        There are many people saying now that this
 oil flow from the well could continue for MONTHS.
      What happens when hurricane season hits
 the Gulf..like it does every year?
 
        I don't think the average American really
  understands the magnitude of this catastrophe.
    It will begin to sink-in after a while..one news report
 at a time.
 
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             here is plenty of info about the company
 Mixey referred to... NALCO
 
 
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BP shares plunge as company struggles to plug leak


(click here for story)




Geno's NOTE:

This is a sad and horrible tragedy. None of this is good for anybody, and especially those directly involved in the damage.... and also in a weird way, this also makes one start to feel sorry for BP and all of the incredible technology employed, and the uncertain future that they too will face.

But on the positive side, and as strange by-product of what is happening 5000 feet below the sea in the Gulf of Mexico, as a direct result of the non-stop live feed of video images streaming to the surface of the Planet along with the endless gushing oil... is some of the most fascinating, un-moderated, un-narrated compelling TV... with no commercials and crap... that I have seen since those fuzzy black and white images of
"Man's first steps on the moon", decades ago.

It is mesmerizing watching the slow tedious careful progress against mother natures' overwhelming odds for hours and hours on end!

And with millions of 'viewers' locked on to BP's web feed, I am surprised that often mindless cable channels have not picked up on this yet.

In a weird way, sobering way... this is better than anything on Cable TV.

Raw, uncut live "Reality TV" for REAL! Real Science in action,
with massive "Lessons Learned" and "Get A Grip on Reality" potential
on a global scale... streaming and spewing out.

And I keep wondering... Is anybody paying attention?

~Bottom line... This Is Still All So Sad, Geno

LIVE VIDEO FEED LINK HERE:

www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/ (Click Here)
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http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/...html/rov_stream.html (Watch Live- Click Here)






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"And I keep wondering... Is anybody paying attention?"
 
 
Geno, millions of people are paying attention to this.
People like yourself ... many miles away from the scene.
 
Professional biologists, geologists, oceanographers, and
scientists from other fields are paying attention. 
 
As are big oil executives.  And politicians.
 
But I hear another question implied in your question...
 
...something like, "Will the powers-that-be change their attitudes
and behaviors because of what this catastrophe has shown us?"
 
No. I don't think so. Not in a meaningful way.
 
And worse - I believe that the parties directly involved -
BP Plc, Transocean Ltd. and Halliburton Co. - will ultimately
be shielded from the full brunt of responsibility; or will in time
be quietly compensated for "their losses."  Just wait and watch.
 
These vested interests are old bed fellows with the U.S. government and
they will work behind the scenes to ensure that THEIR bottom lines do not suffer badly. 
 
Damage ceilings will be capped. Legitimate lawsuits will be thrown out.
And deep sea drilling will go on with few substantial changes in procedure.
 
Will fishermen get this kind of support and help from the government?
Not a chance.  The little guy always gets screwed. 
 
Life will go on for BP, though... because "they're too big to fail." 
 
Angry
 
 
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Instead of trying to cap it off, and having the oil disperse sideways and all over the place, before it gets to the surface...

It would seem logical to create a barrier "pipe" around the leaking oil, from the opening... on up to the surface.

Once the oil is at the surface... they can corral it and haul it away via tankers.

If they're not doing this... and they're not... then there must be a reason...

Even if the oil is too heavy to float like you're saying Toad, if it was contained in a wide diameter shaft to the surface; at some point, wouldn't it begin to act like a plug?

I wonder what they could use to to make that kind of a containment pipe?

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BP... is on criminal probation from a 2006 oil spill.

It seems that British Petroleum has been on a contamination run...

Last week, there was a 5,000 barrel spill in Alaska

General info on the Alaskan Pipeline

Is there any doubt that we shouldn't be using oil (domestic or foreign) for our energy?

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YUP!!!

Anyway, while we wait for the ever growing possibility of hearing:

"Hey Kids, that atomic bomb method will now be needed
to stop this leak in the Gulf of Cheney... yup, the final option...

the only one left to stop the oil leak..."


... those kind of deep water drilling announcements...
- Hey... by the way... Got Fallout Shelter?

I HOPE NOT!!!

Anyway...

Here is some more FYI Reference Oil Drilling Info, and Stuff...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/25/us/20100525-topkill-diagram.html?ref=us

and of course:

LIVE VIDEO FEED LINK HERE:

www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/ (Click Here)
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http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/...html/rov_stream.html (Watch Live- Click Here)



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           From what I understand about the newest
 attempt to fix the well head, they are using robotic
 submerged vehicles, like little subs..featuring robotic
 arms that can do various tasks, like the robotic arm
 on the space shuttle. These vehicles are "Floating,"
 and not secured to the ocean floor.. thus they don't
 have the advantage of having a lot of leverage when
 attempting to lift, or move objects..like a crane would
 on land.
        They have mounted a cutter wheel disk on the
 robot arm to slice a piece of the well head pipe,
 and make it a "Clean" useable piece of pipe with no
 jagged edges, bends and dents.
       They then will place a funnel-type cap on the well
 pipe. They will have to somehow attach this funnel
 cap to the well pipe, so that it won't blow off from
 excess pressure. This will be very hard to do.
     If this new cap isn't welded or secured to the well
 pipe, it has no chance of working.
      The reason I say that is that the well pipe is
 twenty one inches in diameter. They must reduce the
 diameter of the hose or pipe leading to the surface
 from the cap, because that pipe or hose is five thousand feet long, and can't be much over six inches
 in diameter.
        Reducing the pipe diameter will increase the
 pressure on the oil flow by a substantial amount.
   The increased pressue of the oil will blow the cap off,
 unless they really have it secured on the well pipe.
     Trying to do all of this, five thousand feet down
 will be a major task. Don't expect it to happen real
 soon. It will take a long time to get it secured right..
 if they can secure it at all.
      Bare in mind that there is drilling rig trash laying
 all over the sea floor from the rig platform exploding.
    If they rush this process, it will fail. Lets hope
 they get it done right.
 
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             NEWS FLASH !!!
      Eric Holder,
The US attorney general shows up
 in the Gulf, and will sue the pants off of BP.
      I foresee Holder, using the powers of the government to claim the "Lions share" of BP's money,
 and that money will end up in government coffers.
     The people of the Gulf Region will get the "crumbs",
 if in fact there are any "crumbs" left over.
     I don't like playing this pessimistic role all the time,
 but what the hell good can come from Holder sticking
 his nose in this problem, and why would he unless
 the government has plans for all that BP money.
      My guess is that we will soon learn if my theroy
 has any weight...
 
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         For all the Sea Captians sailing the Gulf of Mexico...
 
 
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\\\\\\ BP - Hit The Button and Start The Cuttin'!!! /////

Update: Screen Grabs of the Cutting in progress for hours now...



hours later...


hours later...


even hours later...


no pressure here, right... NOT!...


Jeez!


Yup. it's much better than "new"!
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Marty Factoid Note for Pondering Amidst all of this: >>>>
<<<< Did You Know that there are 31,000 MILES of underwater pipeline IN the Gulf of Mexico? >>>>>

Y I K E S !!!






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Some oil spill events from Wednesday, June 2, 2010
By The Associated Press (AP) 1 hour ago

"... OVERVIEW
As submersible robots made another risky attempt to control the underwater Gulf oil gusher, the crude on the surface spread, closing in on Florida. BP's stock plummeted Tuesday and took much of the market down with it, and the federal government announced criminal and civil investigations into the spill.

SHEARS AND DELI SLICER -
The latest mission for BP PLC involved using a set of tools akin to an oversized deli slicer and garden shears to break away the broken riser pipe so engineers can then position a cap over the well's opening. But it's a big gamble: Even if it succeeds, it will temporarily increase the flow of an already massive leak by 20 percent at least 100,000 gallons more a day. That's on top of the estimated 500,000 to 1 million gallons gushing out already. BP's best chance to actually plug the leak rests with a pair of relief wells. Those won't likely be completed until August.

OIL SPREADS -
Florida officials confirmed an oil sheen about nine miles from the famous white sands of Pensacola beach. ..."

(more here)

And what do Ya know... Look at this:



"Dick Cheney needs to testify under the lights... and under oath."

Dick Cheney 'Needs To Testify' About BP Oil Spill, Says Chris Matthews


"...Former Vice President and one-time Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney should be called to testify about the gulf oil spill, according to Chris Matthews.   ...Matthews argues that because Cheney held secret meetings with big oil to develop the Bush administration's energy policy, it's impossible to know who was responsible for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico..."

it continues...

"...Halliburton, Transocean, and BP are trying to blame one another for the spill. On Thursday, Transocean, the doomed rig's contractor, sought to cap its liability for the spill at $27 million. According to BP, its estimated cleanup costs are now $450 million..." "Dick Cheney needs to testify under the lights... and under oath."




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lindsay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 02 2010 at 7:31am
Great Pictures Gene.......

I have come to realize its high time that the people responsible for such crimes against nature be put in jail.
I guess regulation will lead to smart barstools working out ways to get round them.

But my worry is that the big fish will still get away with it.......We were warned about this problem only a few years ago.

Baby Drill baby kill........
Thats my Boy!
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More than 8 hours into the "clean cut" of the damaged riser pipe above the useless Blow Out Preventer... here are some up to the minute screen grabs of the progress from BP's Live ROV Camera feeds in operation...

www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/ (Click Here)

and so far, 8 hours later...the "cut" has not yet reached the half way mark, but note that the pressure behind the now open saw kerf is blowing gas and oil and mud out like a busted, gushing shower head.

(((Why is "the News" not covering this stuff going on live right now???)))
Ok, we'll be the news here at SoulfulPlanet....

Screen grabs:

as of 11:00 am... (June 2, 2010)







...Like working on a constantly exploding bomb at a mile below the surface of the sea...










more in a sec from: www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/ (Live Feed Click Here)

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Still a loooong way to got with the precision cut....





www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/ (Watch BP's Live Feed -Click Here)

And this screen grab is interesting... what appears to be a "bubble level' mounted at the top of the 40 foot high Blow Out Preventer, possibly showing how badly damaged, bent and leaning the entire BOP stack is, that comes out and upward from the ground level (Halliburton) concrete casing job... if there are failures below this point ... in the casing/ cement bond... it could possibly become like a 'crater in the earth' type of leak... nearly impossible to "fix" or stop... ever. (My Thoughts)


...see it ->>>

Let's hope Halliburton did a really good cement job on this one (yes, just 20 hours before the whole rig blew up and killed 11 people).


In the mean time>>>June 2, 2010 - 1:15pm<<<

Latest Effort to Stop Oil Flow Hits a Snag
Ny Times: Trial and Error in Deep Water
" - HOUMA, La. The latest attempt to contain the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico hit a snag Wednesday when a diamond-tipped saw operated by an underwater robot got stuck in the riser pipe it was intended to slice off, federal officials said."

"The snared saw set back efforts to seal the stricken well that, since a drilling rig explosion on April 20, has been spewing thousands of gallons of oil into the gulf and fouling beaches, shellfish and birds on the coasts of Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi..."
Latest Effort to Stop Oil Flow Hits a Snag (full NY Times story here)


and worth reading:

Outside View: Gulf oil spill a 9/11 wake-up call? (UPI)
Published: June 2, 2010 at 6:07 AM
By HARLAN ULLMAN, UPI Outside View Commentator
"So what should be done? Facts matter...."


and from
"The Department of You Can't Make This Stuff Up"
CBS is reporting this:
__ - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006498-503544.html (Click here)

Lemmie guess ...minimum wage gig?



Lovely... Here, public image and PR this!



http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/05/28/alg_oil-spill.jpg



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