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    Posted: May 25 2010 at 4:08pm
            It's time we get a thread devoted to this
 oil disaster..because it is now out-of-control. Dead
 
       Watching the local news, it seems we haven't
 yet figured out how bad this thing is yet. I am sure
 we will dig-in and expose the entire mess, so that
 all that read our posts will better understand this
 catastrophe from all angles.
         So far, the "Blame Game" isn't capping the leak.
   If this well was capped today..the scope of the damage will not be totally known for YEARS.
      There are millions of hard working Americans that
 are losing their chosen vocations, their property,
 and their entire way of life..all due to this rig
 exploding. Is the quest for oil important enough to
 ruin these peoples lives? I think the people effected
 could answer that question..if they ever get the chance
 to be heard.
          What price will be set for the loss of aquatic
 life snuffed out do to this disaster? Mass extinction
 of local species is an outrage that will have no "Price
 tag."Dead
            Well...let the discussion begin. This thread should get very interesting..very soon.
 
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       Some information on the oil dispersal chemicals
 being sprayed on the floating sludge in the Gulf.
      If this article is true...using these chemicals
 is criminal..and should be stopped.
 
 Whatz next?
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Blackstone, Apollo and Goldman Sachs own Nalco... the company that makes the chemicals you're referring to Toad.

I guess their "sluggish trend" has now experienced a new rise in necessity for their "environmental" product.

Who owns Nalco

The company made $40 million in sales by the end of the week, as described in this article. $2 million of it will be given to the Nalco fund to aid relief efforts.

Nalco profits

Thank you for starting this thread Toad.

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As of a few days ago...

The EPA wants BP to stop using the Corexit product... BP disagrees.

Every time there's a whoops I guess that doesn't work... a company can make $40 million in a week.

I wonder how this situation benefits BP financially. There's no doubt that it does. One company loses and more gain that are all somehow related.

Greed upon greed upon greed... What can stop this????
Any ideas???

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M I X E Y Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2010 at 8:47am
Geno / Toad / Jeff have some really good posts in The New World Order thread too on this...

The New World Order Thread

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I heard today Mr. Obama is talking about banning all off shore drilling. I dont think this is the way to go to solve the problem.
Anybody else missing George Bush besides me?
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It won't solve the current problem MM... but it sure would prevent another... and get rid of issues around current existing rigs, with the exception of the big issue now facing everyone.

I'm in agreement with him.

I used to go to the gulf side of Florida with my parents when I was little. I learned to swim in the gulf.
I had such wonderful memories of Sarasota; and I was so happy to re-visit that place with Mom in 2000.
When we got there, the place smelled like oil everywhere. It was horrible... and to me THAT was already a disaster!

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Yes, Mixey, I do intend to repost many of the oil disaster related posts
from the The New World Order Thread
here again for historical, documentation of Big Money Greedy Oil Disaster purposes... such as:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~RE-POST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from the New World Order Thread - Posted: Apr 30 2010 at 2:58pm


And ALSO... while we're at it...

From the Department of "Drill Baby Drill" aka "Spill Baby, Spill"...

Please note this notification of notice:

— Your Attention Please —



Please make a note of it!

(((You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!)))

While we're waiting for those 'Safety Awards for Big Oil'...

On a much sadder note of horrible reality:




Rest in Peace to those whom have lost their lives in this disaster, and condolences to the surviving friends and families of the lost oil rig workers.


— Update; Friday April 30.2010 —


U.S. Gulf States Mobilize for Valdez-Like Oil Spill (Update)
April 30, 2010, 2:19 PM EDT

"... The department’s Minerals Management Service, regulator of offshore drilling, is focusing on the blowout preventer, equipment used by all drillers that should have prevented the spill and an explosion that resulted in the death of 11 people, Mike Saucier, an agency spokesman, said yesterday at a press conference.... ... ..."


.... ((( Note from C-Span live, 2 seconds ago... All efforts to cap well have now failed... )))

"...Coastal Waters Closed
A sheen washed ashore on the Louisiana coastline last night, the Associated Press reported. Oil may hit Mississippi tomorrow, Alabama in two days and Florida in three, according to a government forecast.
Louisiana closed some coastal waters to shrimping and expects to close its entire eastern coastline to fishing to protect health and safety, said Randy Pausina, spokesman for the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries.
At the rate the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration estimates oil is escaping from the well, the volume of the spill would exceed Alaska’s 1989 Exxon Valdez accident by the third week of June.
“This has a danger of becoming an utter ecological disaster,” Ken Medlock, a fellow in energy and resource economics at Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy in Houston, said yesterday. “This is going to result in remediation costs and is going to be burdensome, to say the least.” .... BP Shares Fall... "


....Note: (((An estimated 10% to 25% of US seafood comes from the Gulf of Mexico)))

"... Oil from the leaking well is lighter than the Alaskan crude spilled by the Exxon Valdez, Etkin said. “There are going to be more toxic impacts than the heavy black oil you saw with the Exxon Valdez.”
Sampling Water
Florida, Alabama and Mississippi dispatched all their marine research vessels to begin sampling water for oil and fish for taint, Robert L. Shipp, chairman of the department of marine sciences at the University of South Alabama in Mobile, said yesterday.... "

"...BP’s costs, now $6 million a day, will rise as it adds people and equipment, Neil Chapman, company spokesman, said in an interview in Robert. The company would welcome additional assistance, including from the U.S. Defense Department and from volunteers, he said... ... ..."
U.S. Gulf States Mobilize for Valdez-Like Oil Spill (Update continued here)
April 30, 2010, 2:19 PM EDT
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but in the mean time... back to today, May 28, 2010

THE MESS CONTINUES...
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— After delay, BP restarts 'top kill' effort —

— After delay, BP restarts 'top kill' effort —
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 27, 2010 9:49 p.m. EDT

"Venice, Louisiana (CNN) -- BP's much-anticipated attempt to cap its undersea gusher in the Gulf of Mexico, a spill now estimated at twice the size of the Exxon Valdez disaster, was suspended for more than 16 hours before it was restarted late Thursday afternoon, a BP executive said Thursday."

"This whole operation is very, very dynamic," Doug Suttles, the company's chief operating officer, told CNN's "John King, USA."

"When we did the initial pumping (Wednesday), we clearly impacted the flow of the well. We then stopped to monitor the well. Based on that, we restarted again. We didn't think we were making enough progress after we restarted, so we stopped again."

"The light-brown material that was seen spilling out of the well throughout Thursday was the previously pumped fluid from the "top kill" procedure mixed with oil, he said."

CNN.com Live: Underwater view of top kill procedure

"I probably should apologize to folks that we haven't been giving more data on that," Suttles said when asked why it took so long for BP to announce it had suspended the top kill. "It was nothing more than we are so focused on the operation itself."

"Suttles said part of the problem is that too much mud is leaving the breach instead of going down the well. "So what we need to do is adjust how we are doing the job so that we get more of the drilling mud to go down the well," Suttles said." ...
... (much more info and video here).


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So after the hurricanes hit this summer... (hurricane season worries)
(wait to see how THAT complicates all of this mess),
and, as I posted weeks ago...
I am really wondering how long will it actually be until we actually start hearing and reading things like:

"...well kids, to nuke it is now the only option left in such deep water in the Gulf of Cheney".

...FREAKING DISASTER OF MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS FOR CARELESS GREEDY RICH BOY PROFIT!!!

PUT THEM ALL IN JAIL!!!
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~RE-POST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And this one... from the The New World Order Thread
RE-Posted here from MAY 05, 2010
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And..... what..... huh????





and some related background reading on the "Deepwater Horizon"
www.oilonline.com/News/ from 2009...

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Watch how this all plays out in failure land, and I sure hope that "NUKE It" is not
the only option left in the hands of these morons!
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            I think anyone with a brain can see that this
 "Top Kill" method is not working. The underwater
 photos show the injected mud shooting out the top
 of this top kill device at about the same rate that
  is being pumped into it.
       All they are now doing is attempting to equalize
 the pressure going out, to the pressure going in.
     They have already admitted that if they apply
 too much pressure going in, that they could rupture
 the pipe in a way that could not be repaired.
        They will end up drilling other wells to ease
 the pressure...and that will take MONTHS.
     They will never allow them to "Nuke" the well..
 like the Russians have proposed. The Russians would
 have nuked it a long time ago, because they aren't
 afraid of public opinion all that much.
       Maybe they should think about damming the
 entire Gulf of Mexico, pumping out all the sea water,
 and turning it into a giant oil reservoir.
     Imagine a day at the beach of our "Man made greedy
 Black sea." Dead
 
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Toad!!!
.... Exactly! Could this, or some mutation of the thought,
be the actual twisted plan?

Wait!!! Yikes!!!

..." because they aren't
afraid of public opinion all that much.
       Maybe they should think about damming the
entire Gulf of Mexico, pumping out all the sea water,
and turning it into a giant oil reservoir."


Hence:




...anybody got a match?

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but wait, there's more....

and this ... just in... could it be???


____

~NOT~!!!

"...But BP says it will be 48 hours before success of 'top kill' will be known..."

Then later:

"BP CEO gives 'top kill' 48 hours in Gulf spill
Reuters - Kristen Hays, Braden Reddall - ‎40 minutes ago‎
HOUSTON, May 28 (Reuters) - BP Plc's (BP.L) critical "top kill" effort to smother a gushing oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico is making progress, but the company can't call it a success or failure until Sunday, Chief Executive Tony Hayward ..."


_

_(full story here)


~or NOT~!!!

..."It will probably be another 48 hours before we know if we've met the success," Hayward added. If the procedure works, BP will inject cement into the well to seal it permanently. If it doesn't work, BP says it has a number of backup plans. Either way, crews will continue to drill two relief wells, considered the only surefire way to stop the leak."


~~~•••~~~


Question: Are these "relief wells" simply used to totally shut this whole thing down. or... do they eventually become 'the new oil producing wells' that can just as easily blow up again at any second using the same flawed technology? Just wondering.




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            My bet is the two relief wells will be the
 only way to stop the leak, and that isn't a sure thing.
     It will take a month or two for the wells to be sunk.
 Two more months of oil blasting out of that pipe will
 wipe out marine life in the Gulf for a century or longer.
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What this catastrophe has PROVEN to us - in no uncertain terms -
is that NO oil company drilling for oil in deep seas has ADEQUATE, PROVEN
technology that can be called "failsafe".
 
It has also reminded us of the culture of corruption that has existed between
Washington bureaucracy and big oil...  money and gifts exchanging hands
for heads being turned the other way, and permissions granted without
proper supervision or oversight. 
 
To quote Gil Scott-Heron:  "Just how blind can America be?"
 
Anybody who thinks we ought to simply continue to let oil companies
drill in deep water - in this time of inadequate technology and oversight -
is essentially saying, "Sure! I'm okay doing things this way-
the worst oil spill disaster in history doesn't bother me at all!"
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         This article makes some points about how
 this disaster will effect the President.
 
 
    The same could be said of anyone in office when
 an event happends like this rig explosion.
    It's bad news for the man in charge.
 
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From the looks of things this problem wont get solved until the oil runs up the east coast and ends up in the Potamic River.  Then with the oil spill in their back yards, maybe just maybe these so called politicians might do something.
 
 
I wouldnt bet on it though.
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And yes, MickeyMac...
re: "...until the oil runs up the east coast and ends up in the Potamic River. ..."

Well, that will soon probably happen... just look at this already...


~— Gulf Oil Slick Approaching Loop Current —~



and
— BP's Live Feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV) —


— the BP Live feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV) — (click here)






And finally, I found a site that explains
Deep Water Oil Drilling and BOPs in terms that most people can probably understand... Awesome Site!

— An Introduction to Drilling Offshore Oil Wells - www.treesfullofmoney.com —







and OMG! Imagine this...

from the ongoing inquiry & conversation:

"...Mark Levin:
And the test as best as you know was sufficient?

“James”
It should have been, yes sir, or they would never have opened it back up.

The next step, was they opened the annular on the BOP stack.

Mark Levin interrups…
So wait, why would they do that, why would they have opened the BOP stack?

They opened the BOP annular (or plug as Mark Levin called it), to go ahead and start cementing the top of the well, the well bore, we’d cement the top and then we would move off and another rig would slide over and do the rest of the completions work.

When they opened the well is when it [the well] kicked, and we took a humongous gas bubble kick up the well bore. It latterly pushed the seawater that was in the marine riser up to the top of the derrick which is about 240 feet in the air. ... ... ...
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http://www.drillingahead.com/video/transocean-survivor-interview (listen to what "James" has to say!)



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         The "Top Kill" attempt has failed. Now on to
 Phase II.....
       
 
  The next thing they will try has never been attempted
 before..[gasp!] but,...It sounds good in print and theroy. Now we can only hope they can get it done.
     In a side note thought.....
       The staggering amount of un-employed folks in
 the Gulf region..along with all the available boats
 and marine equiptment has me wondering why the
 government hasn't approved these many folks to
 do any and all things to start cleaning up the oil
 by any means that seems to work....After all,
 BP will pay for it all. It won't be on the government's    
 tab, so why not turn them loose?
 
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i hear Ya, Toad!

This whole disaster is literally a bottomless pit of nearly impossible odds.

Could it be possible that they will never be able to get this under control until ALL of the estimated 50 MILLION barrels of oil have leaked out... the latest (highest estimate from scientists at Purdue) puts the leaking flow now at 95,000 barrels per day... YIKES!!!

"... Wereley concluded the leak was likely considerably more than he initially estimated, after viewing the released footage of the leak, stating before Congress that the leak was likely 95,000 barrels (4,000,000 US gallons; 15,100,000 litres) a day.[84> "

I already know more about much of this stuff than I ever cared to know but...
... More solid info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

YIKES!!!
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