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    Posted: Jun 04 2007 at 4:43pm
ENGINEERS & STUDIO OWNERS

Here's a place to

Boast about (YOUR STUDIO or that other guyz)

Explain about (stuff that we all could use help with)

Rave about (a bunch of shit that sounds impressive)

Vent about (everything ProTools did to you this week)

& Laugh about (EVERYTHING)

Our insane passion, that keeps us throwing money at the equipment, pissed off at the technology, and up all hours of the day and night, totally amazed at how f**king good we can make it all sound by the time we're toasted, is what this thread is for.

We love our gear. Does it love us?

Much cussing, laughter, disseminating of informational manuals of crap that there isn't time for and pictures, preferably cartoons that I can easily understand, is encouraged.

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((( Ok Everybody... Back To Mono! )))






*lol*
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Zip Zip. . . Blade Runner... lol

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M I X E Y
^lol^
Well Ok then,
maybe not
Mono...



Gene_Leone_Mix - SSL and ProTools Hell, but fun!
*lol*
This is what one small part of the technical part
of a reasonably complex session looks like inside my head....
— Various Screen captures from some of the sessions in Philly during
the Recording, Overdubbing and Mixing Sessions for...

Masters Of Funk, Soul & Blues- "A Soulful Tale Of Two Cities"
(Anybody else see things like this while having fun working ? *lol*)

Of course this is a tiny part of
the overall "big picture", yet it's AMAZING how much different
"this same picture" looked inside my head 30 years ago!








Smiles,
Geno








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Smoking in the control room Shocked

LOL C ~ S.P.A.T.
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*LOL* YES!

Smoking in the control room during ALL sessions used to almost be the norm. That "smokey" sultry vibe. It went well with the whole creative process for some reason. Nicotine does seem to help with focus, too.

At an AES Show in NYC in the 70's I remember one console manufacturing company was very serious about installing cigarette lighters and ash trays right in the board for the engineers and producers. Hey, it would have worked fine for me! *lol*

Amazing how things change.
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Geno. . .
 
Sonron's Granpa might have something to contribute to the cigarette discussion over here... LOL
 
Presently, I'm eating a pretzel. . .
 
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MIXEY!!!

Yes!   P R E T Z E L S are still, in my book, a required piece of on-board studio gear during ALL studio sessions, remote live recording sessions and concerts, club gigs and personal appearances!

Yes, I brought them with me to the Unity Day thingy 2 weeks ago... and Phil Hurt brought them too!!! I'm serious!

*lol*
MuchLove,
Geno (who is rarely without pretzels near by!)

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Hi Everybody!!!

Ok, I've been getting lots of private emails on my MySpace (to Gene_Leone_Mix)...
asking how I do stuff... tips, etc., recording wise, overdub wise, mixing wise and mastering wise...
(both on CD and MP3's for MySpace...) and some great basic questions about both good old analog mode 24 track 2" sessions or 2 track live mix recording from back in the day AND up to to ProTools stuff today, and every hybrid combination question in between. From the geeky tech stuff to simply getting a good vocal performance out of a willing artist, to cutting a 12/4/2 and 1 string section with a live band with live vocals ... etc., to acoustic guitar to solo harp and ... "Gene, what was it like to be in session with "Artist XYZ" and record Artist XYZ on "JKL" Track?"
All good, fun questions!

I think I'm gonna do my answering right here in this thread,
as I have lost several lengthy email answers in those MySpace server meltdown "errors"...
when Ya finally get it done and hit "Send" aka "(Go to Vapor Now)"... I do usually remember to hit select all/copy... but not always... and it's such a frustrating time waster when this "MySpace server error" thing happens!

It's so much easier to do it here on SoulfulPlanet,
GEEK BUCKET - "STUDIO TALK & SESSIONS!!!" ...easier to link, to add pic's, videos, edit, etc... and many of the email questions are similar. Plus I can get lots of our opinions and input and discussion from Y'all here as well to help give clear answers. Plus, I never want to stop learning!

WaddYaThink?
~MuchLove~
Geno

Gene_Leone_Mix ... (whose emails on MySpace often go to Time Out Vapor Land! arrrrg! Who has time for that? ...not us Hominids!)




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Now thats a great idea Gene!!

Can't wait to read and post in this topic!


Tony Massera
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http://deevaradio.net
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FANTASTIC Geno & Tony!!  Let's get this place moving!

Presently, I have electricians with orange boxes, installing dedicated lines for all the audio in the control room to keep the hummmmmm out of my lines.

Nuke No hummmm zone!

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MIXEY!!!

— Hums, Buzzes, Clicks, Oh My! —

*lol*

Yup, MIXEY, when it comes to this AC stuff... remember the quote from our crazy Buddy from the good old Quad Studios days, "Eddie Cilletti" the GeekaZoid Guru Maximus himself... who always very wisely reminds us...
to connect ALL of our studio AC to the same phase leg of the mains... and to one 20 Amp outlet, if possible, through quality Power Strips....and treat it...
like "a tree"... (Trunk, branches, leaves)... where your board, amps, gear, computer, and audio "stuff" etc., are all the leaves of the tree... getting fed from the branches, and the branches getting fed from the trunk).
I have my "D" Street Studio set up this way here, (two 20 amp dedicated home run lines in armored cable to the same power phase leg at the breaker box) and I honestly forget that hums exist until I go to other studios and I am reminded what a nightmare hums. buzzes and clicks can be... everyday!
This method if done with care and safety is sooo terrific, logical and simple... and clean!

Eddie put it this way:

1. Connect all of the gear into power strips, but
2. Don’t daisy chain any power strips, yet.
3. Count all of the strips, then
4. Determine how many strips it will take to accommodate them.
5. Now, think like a tree...
6. Each piece of gear is a leaf...
7. Each branch is power strip...
8. All strips feed the trunk...
9. Which is like the main outlet, OK?
10. Some trees have two trunks...
11. It could happen!
12. If so, make sure both breakers are on the same power phase.


Power Distribution and Related Issues
©1994 ~1999 by Eddie Ciletti - www.tangible-technology.com


p.s. - Eddie LOVES email... and even more when Ya send money, and he IS truly a WIZZARD, and a GREAT, FUN GUY!


~ Eddie's Site Click Here ~

and Eddie, I still soooo remember THIS HAT, and I'm still stealing it!
*lol*

p.s.s. - Ed's website www.tangible-technology.com is banging with useful geeky info,
not to mention the bazillions of articles he's written for
MIX Magazine - Eddie Ciletti's Tech Files each month ...
and...
TapeOp Magazine
&
EQ, etc, etc... magazines over the years.
Eddie Ciletti's Articles in Google (click here)

p.s.s.s - Yo Eddie, You STILL never cease to freekin' amaze me! Go Eddie!

(BigSmiles!)
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Geno, that's great!  . . . and thanks for talking to my Electricians yesterday.  They got it all done right.

Nice articles Eddie. . . Nice to see you. . . Now come over here. . . LOL
 
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Yeah Geno ...
 
It's amazing that lots of people don't understand this critically important facet of "proper audio config" ... I battle this all the time when I have to oversee temporary A/V setups in hotel ballrooms. On big shows the tech crews are seasoned and know the ropes ... on smaller shows the hotel A/V newbies don't understand these issues, or how the lights and dimmers create a chamber of horrors for the audio ... When your rig is fed a "bad AC diet" all hell breaks loose.
 
Often times my only solution - when I arrive after the room's been set and there's no time to reconfigure - I have to resort to ground lifts which usually solves the problem but puts all the gear at EXTREME risk should a worst-case scenario occur.
 
Even good "audio" health begins with a good diet...
 
 
 
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Jeff!!!

Too true!!! The "Ground Lift" thing now scares me to death... been "bit" too many times by accident (woops!).... trying to kill a ground loop hum.
I hate that feeling when Ya feel your eyes "dimming" just as you jump out of your skin! *lol*
YIKES!

Connecting everything to the same phase leg is such a huge, safe(r) solution when possible, even if it sometimes means a "big long extension cord run" ....

but this is way better than becoming a piece of toast. IMHO.
Stay Safe Jeff, We Need Ya!!!
~Smiles,~
Geno

Note & Related Reading:
Topic: ~ My new respect of surge/spike protectors! ~


... and was that thunder i just heard?
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— David Letterman Show- Technical Maintenance Minute: Pro Tools—
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Ok
Hi-Resolution DVD Audio disks, to CDs, to Vinyl etc...
—VS—
the often crappy sounding MP3's
that are more portable and convenient size wise
for email/iPod/MySpace/YouTube/downloads
but
when compared to the actual mix source file or CD...
Let's face it...
many MP3's often do sound like crap...!


Read these articles below, and the interesting insightful comments also... and see what Ya think,

Obviously, from a Recording Engineering, Mixing AND Mastering perspective, (my perspective), I am smack dab in the middle of this MP3 dilemma, and more and more, long after the project has been carefully mixed and mastered to sonic perfection and beauty for CD, I am spending more and more time fighting to then squeeze the maximum quality and level WITHOUT distortion INTO the damned MP3 mastering conversions... (like trying to get a 10 pound bag of sugar into a 1 pound bag at 128kbps) and it is an ongoing, endless, exhausting battle to keep the LEVEL up and the distortion down. (The Volume Contest)

I so wish there was a better solution to the MP3 vs GENUINE AUDIO QUALITY issues... and the end resulting iPod "quality" dumb down as the final destination.

Flat out, CD's / Vinyl sound so much better, even at a very minimum, yet we're stuck in an MP3 world... (iPod, MySpace and even YouTube in Mono now) and it's frustrating that often, people never even get to hear the actual CD quality of the mixes. WTF?

Read this and tell me what You think, and thoughts on what should we do.
As always, I'm fighting for the quality in some solution that makes logical sense.
Thanks,
Gene_Leone_Mix

~Artists Fight for New Hi-Fi Formats~
BRIAN HIATT -Posted 5/20/08, 8:50 am EST -rollingstone.com


and related...

~ The Death of High Fidelity In the age of MP3s, sound quality is worse than ever ~
ROBERT LEVINE - Posted 12/27, 2007 1:27 PM - rollingstone.com





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Wow... This stuff above was posted over a year ago...

AND now, here in the summer of 2009... from the department of MP3's... well... not much has changed... but at least terrestrial radio and internet broadcasters and many related digital download services are now requesting 320 kbp/s as the "new sort of quality default minimum standard"... It's still not Aif or WAV... but....... damn, it's better than the old default of 128 kbp/s.

YouTube audio "quality" for the most part is kinda still stuck in the "this audio is for reference purposes only, use at your own risk" level...
... and that's when the zipper, banner & deleters and major label lawyer crews don'r have some hissy fit about owning the audio in the first place.

Yup, it's still a world out there, kids.

By the way... after listening to mp3's in headphones for about an hour or so... have you noticed lately how good old fashioned, hard core, physical CD's actually do sound by comparison? If you haven't done this lately... do it. I'm, rediscovering a lot of my old fav CD's... and MegaMixes, all over again.

(Don't get me started on my good old vinyl, and that great experience with the big LP covers that I so dearly miss *lol*... that's another topic. Had fun with that one on Father's Day.)

Keep listening and Support the Artists!!!

... Whenever possible... buy their physical CD's, or at least grab the 320 kbps version of the mix when buying the download.    (Just a reminder).

Thoughts?

~BigSmiles,
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             I have always had a facination for audio
 engineering that goes WAY back. After spending some
 super fun times in studios listening to sessions, and watching how sound is molded with all the tricks the
 engineer has at their disposal, I came away with
 a feeling that audio engineers were somehow "God
 like" with their powers over sound.
       I quickly formed an opinion that a real good
 engineering effort could produce hits, and bad engineering could kill an obvious hit. Thats a lot
 of power to have and use.
       Well engineered sessions are always a real
 treat to hear..like Geno says, from the original
 CD or even vinyl cut.
        I can't really crank the volume up in my apartment,
 so I bought a high quality headphone set, and crank
 the volume to the max. The lack of real solid bass
 is offset by the clairity of the mids and highs through
 the phones.
     The playback in a quality studio can't be beat.
  It will ROCK YOU big time !
      I think everyone on the planet should hear their
 favorite track played through bomb studio speakers
 In THE STUDIO. Shawinggggggggg !!!!
 
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What Jeff speaks of is very true even from the performance side. It has amazed me at times what the "Sound Guy" did NOT know about dirty A/C power. My Sunday morning gig I've been at for 25+ years. The church was gutted and remodeled several years ago and the lighting was recessed in the ceiling and the system (don't know the man.) dimmers were installed. What a nightmare that is for noise and hum! I don't believe the power was ever reconfigured / up graded.

Two months ago Event Solutions came in to do sound and recording for "A Night of Praise and Worship" http://www.qscaudio.com/press/news.php?id=224 (I kind of raised Gary at our church - my baby drummer). The noise in my ear buds from the Axiom monitor was so loud that I kept thinking my bass was out of tune. They search for phantom power and other options but it didn't work.  I ended up using just the left side and attempting to hear FOH from my right ear over the horns and woodwinds.

In this sanctuary in earlier days before I used a DI through the house I ran a heavy orange extension line through the hallways to another power source just for my amplifier. Of course the traditional 1973 Fender P bass causes enough crap on its own.

I am very understanding about electrical power from installing, maintaining, repairing, and rebuilding super-mini and mainframe computer systems. I've had systems crash at 1630 everyday because the elevators in building started heavy activity at the end of the day and create large spikes in the electrical system. The large capacitors in the computer power supplies begin to where down and don't filter the noise spikes and surges.... anyway learning how to run the power monitors and run printed tape to diagnose these things became very necessary.

I would love to learn the board and some of the software products that you guys use, if only for my own recording ideas. Jeff and I use to talk of this extensively as 17 year old musician and mid-night joy riders.

Remember the COMET!





 


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