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Topic: 10 Years Ago ... 9/11 2011
Posted By: dream207
Subject: 10 Years Ago ... 9/11 2011
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 2:25am
Thank you Geno for bringing forth the thread that was started by Dream a few years ago.

In a few short days it will be 10 years since the September 11th attack happened in NY, WA and PA. Let's all take this time to reflect and think.

Remembering the families who were saddened that day, and all of the men and women and children who have suffered worldwide as a result.

Mixey, Bruce & Char

Soulful Planet Administration Team

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Thank you Dream for starting this thread last year. It's 7 years today, since this tragedy happened.

Respect to all,
Mixey
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It was six years ago today this nation suffered a tragedy beyond our wildest imagination.
 
Let's take time to reflect on what happened, the people who were murdered and the families they left behind.
 
Let's also remember that many who worked on the rescue and clean up efforts are now suffering illnesses as a result.  We need to see these people receive the best medical care possible.  They fact they're not getting it is a national shame.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWXQeHCWpo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWXQeHCWpo



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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:13am
A look back...

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Dream,

I am watching real time NBC playback of this morning events, delayed by six years, on MSNBC right now, as I, and no doubt millions of others watched and experienced this nightmare unfold as it was happening back then.

It is hard not to feel like this happened yesterday... and it's horrible all over again.

Continued prayers for those lost, for those that lost loved ones and close friends, and for those of us left here to never forget what should have never happened.

Beyond Sad,
Geno













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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 5:41am



http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/911pentagon.html">






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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 6:55am
Well done GENO!!!!!!!!!  I knew you would come in with the appropriate photos and an excellent statement.
 
Soul Sister and I saw Ground Zero when we got off the subway coming back from Jersey City.  The stairs to the street came up right in front of it.  We paused and looked.  A feeling came over me that I've never felt before.  It was overwhelming and like I stepped into another world - very surreal.  I shall never forget it.  My heart was full of prayer for those who died there that day and their families.

It's a dank, dreary day here in Maine and it seems so appropriate for the sadness we all feel on this date.



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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 7:57am
Thank You, Dream.

Many of these photo's I'd collected from the Internet in a folder in the days right after 9/11/2001, and they've been there ever since. Looking at them again is not easy.

When i worked at Media Sound in the late 70's (311 W57th Street) sometimes we would get done a session, and go down to the South Tower World Trade Center Building on a nice summer afternoon to go up to the observation deck on the roof. It was beyond awesome up there... so high up and so quiet from the typical Manhattan din and noise below... just the sound of the wind. It must be like that for hawks and eagles when they soar in the sky above. I have pictures from my 35 mm, from the roof of the WTC, but none of them are scanned in. Someday.

So many times I wondered... what would happen if this impossibly high structure ever fell. Who knew.

I was engineering in Studio A of Media Sound in NYC on July 13, 1977 during "The Big Blackout" when it happened, http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/07/dayintech_0713 - July 13, 1977: Massive Blackout Plunges New York Into Rioting - Wired.com (i have those pictures too), and I got to see first hand what it feels like to be in a city the size of Manhattan during a major crisis emergency... I saw no rioting or crime, but it was very scary and surreal! ... but still... this emergency is nothing compared to what it must have been like for those there on 9/11/2001.

Pray for the ones gone, and pray for the ones who lived thru it.

Peace... and I mean it,
Geno



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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 11:37am
—World Trade Center Photographs —
By AP
These 72 photographs of the World Trade Center disaster site in New York City were taken by AP on 3 October 2001, about noon, at ground zero by an Anonymous Photographer.

The scope and magnitude of the actual devastation, destruction and resulting clean up is beyond imagination.
Chances are that you have never seen these pictures.

for example;
http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/tn/wtc039.jpg.html">
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and...
http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/tn/wtc038.jpg.html">
wtc038.gif
and...
http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc068.jpg">
a WTC Elevator Machine Motor

the full series is here:
http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/ - www.parrhesia.com/wtc/ - Click each to view very large.

the explanation is written here:
http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc-photos.htm - www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc-photos.htm - Explanation



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Posted By: M I X E Y
Date Posted: Sep 11 2007 at 4:39pm
Dream,  that John Mayer video was perfect choice.. . beautiful song. . . great lyrics!! It drives home the idea of people waiting for the world to change. . . a state of many. . . feeling like we are incapable of causing a change. 
 
I feel that no matter how bad things are right now, each one of us can help towards making the world better. . . and by better, I mean simply more civil.
 
I don't care what a person's station in life is. We all have a duty to ourselves and to each other, to make a difference to move this world towards greater civility. We can do this in the name of humanity, family, country, belief,  or whatever personally motivates us.
 
If we all behaved more civilly in our everyday lives, these small steps would effect great changes in the world.
 
No one is better or lesser than anyone else on this planet; but many behave in a way that is counter to the betterment of our survival as a species.
 
I feel that this is happening because of a sick reaction to past wrong doings.  People who misbehave, think they are acting in a way that will aid their survival, when in fact it is doing just the opposite.
 
A person who is obsessed with greed, actually thinks that money will save them from something.  They are afraid.  A person who kills in the name of  religion, actually feels that belief will save them from something.
 
What is that something?  That something is abuse.
 
If we all act more civilly towards each other, and stop abusing each other. . . the greed and murders will diminish.
 
The tragedy of 911 is in the horrendous loss of life, and many people's wrong reaction to it.  
 
~  ~  ~
 
Geno, I looked at all of the pictures in your bottom link.  I'm happy that the photographer was able to restore those shots that were deleted by the police.  They provide a record of the criminal mismanagement of the cleanup of ground zero.
 
Thank you so much for posting that.
 
~  ~  ~
 
I'm angry and sad for the loss of life on that awful day. 
 
It is my sincere wish that people around the world could learn a lesson from 911, so that these people will have not lost their lives senselessly.
 
Mixey 


Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: Sep 15 2007 at 1:45pm
Geno ...
 
The photo links you posted are riveting. They brought back surreal and frightening memories of 9/11.
 
I used to work video gigs regularly in World Trade Tower 4 (for Merrell Lynch) starting in the late 90s and occasionally in the Twin Towers themselves. Although I was in Europe that week (and was stuck for an extra week because all flights to the US were cancelled) a friend of mine John Miller, an excellent location sound engineer was working in the North Tower on 9/11 doing a similar gig when the plane hit the Tower. He and his crew got out but he observed unthinkable things as they exited the building ... just thinking about the stories he told me can still raise the hair on the back of my neck. I too spent a lot of time in those buildings and imagining myself there in the last moments is too accessible for my mind. Horrible.
 
J.
 
 


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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Sep 15 2007 at 2:37pm
Jeff!!!

"... just thinking about the stories he told me can still raise the hair on the back of my neck. I too spent a lot of time in those buildings and imagining myself there in the last moments is too accessible for my mind. Horrible."

Too true isn't it!   Just thinking about waiting for the next express elevator down... what that would have been like if the plane hit then... frightening, haunting thoughts!

Stuck overseas - I remember You telling me that!... You got stuck in Europe for an extra week because all of the US air travel was grounded.
What a total nightmare this whole NIGHTMARE was.

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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: Mar 12 2010 at 2:54pm
- Lawyers urge WTC workers to take $657M settlement -
By DAVID B. CARUSO (AP) � 53 minutes ago
March 12th, 2010
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXCFDDZCzzpyyLtZFj9Wed5DQjuwD9EDA0300" rel="nofollow - (Full AP Story here) -

"NEW YORK � Lawyers and city officials expressed confidence Friday that they can get ground zero responders to sign on to a settlement that would pay up to $657 million to workers who developed health problems after toiling in the ruins of the World Trade Center.
Thousands of workers who claim to have been sickened by dust and debris will have three months to decide whether to accept the package. If 95 percent don't say yes, the deal is off.
The decision will be a complicated one, but a lead attorney for the firm that negotiated the settlement said most of the feedback from clients so far has been good.
"By far, the calls are running very positive. The clients are quite relieved that an end is in sight," said Marc Bern, a senior partner with the law firm Worby, Groner, Edelman & Napoli, Bern LLP, which negotiated the deal.
Still, with 10,000 plaintiffs involved in the case, success isn't assured. Only $575 million of the settlement is guaranteed. Some workers will qualify for only the minimum payment of $3,250. Any award they get could be depleted by a third or more once the plaintiffs' lawyers take their cut.
A representative of one victims' group expressed reservations Friday that deal doesn't contain enough cash. ... "
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXCFDDZCzzpyyLtZFj9Wed5DQjuwD9EDA0300" rel="nofollow - AP Story (continued here) -

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Questions: The Lawyers will take 1/3 or more of each settlement...??? money that will have to sustain these injured first responders and sickened people for the rest of their lives???

If we do the very, very rough math here:

$657,000,000 total less 33% Lawyer Fees = $433,620,000

$433,620,000 divided by 10,000 plaintiffs involved in the case = $43,362.00 ball park "max" each?

Question: Am I doing this right? ($3,250 to $43,462�)
Is this a "ballpark" figure of what they might expect to ever obtain for being severely injured for life, after rushing into a burning tower and wreckage that followed 9/11, to try save people?

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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 8:07am

Tis getting a little dull now..............Its past and whoever is to blame has been punished by now, mainly the many followers of the terrorist fandango. I say that since no one has been able to pin point the blame; Nope not Bin Laden either lets put it down now. It was upsetting and scary but its not a great deal up against what the west has done to others and other nations in the name of what we say we believe in...............Its history.

Imagine if you had to live through the Blitz?


Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 9:42am
I find that statement to be outrageous, Lindzay!!!  All I can say is your comments are total BS.  I guess you've fogotten your beloved England would not exist today without the actions of the west in World War II.  You are the one who needs a history lesson.   I'd love to see you have the guts to make that statement to the familes and rescue workers affected by 9/11, instead of under the anonimity of an internet forum.  Out of all the things you've said here, I find this to be the most offensive.  Why don't you leave the United States if you hate it so much.
 
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Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 9:58am
 Dream, I second your emotion! I could not have said it better ~ Nora

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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: Apr 16 2010 at 3:00pm
Thank you, Nora. Thumbs%20Up
 
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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 7:30am
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

I find that statement to be outrageous, Lindzay!!!  All I can say is your comments are total BS.  I guess you've fogotten your beloved England would not exist today without the actions of the west in World War II.  You are the one who needs a history lesson.   I'd love to see you have the guts to make that statement to the familes and rescue workers affected by 9/11, instead of under the anonimity of an internet forum.  Out of all the things you've said here, I find this to be the most offensive.  Why don't you leave the United States if you hate it so much.
 
dream


 I don`t hate The USA.  I dislike right wing politics.

 Do ya wanna see my papers?

My country paid back in full for many years for the help of the USA.  WE climbed out of debt to America.  We were also fighting Japan before America joined the allied forces in Europe. But really we owe the Russians a lot for winning the war against Hitlers Germany.Had they not won without any ones help we`d now be talking German.

Starlin was a shit like Hitler I would not argue that before you get into that one.lol.



It might hurt your feelings but outside of America most people don`t give a shit about 9/11 anymore............its history.



Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 8:29am
 Thank you for keeping the memory of those lost, but never forgotten alive. And for always reminding America to NEVER forget 9/11!!!  BTW, dogs have papers too  ~ Nora 

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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 9:13am
         9/11 was the direct result of foreign policy.
  flawed foreign policy. Most all wars fought in the last
 century, and now this century, find their roots in
 distructive foreign policy that is pushed by greed,
 power, and the quest for natural resources that one
 wants to obtain across borders.
       The fifty plus million citizens that died in WWII
  did so following the direction of their leaders..in
 the government and the military.
        The power factions of most governments seek
 wealth and power over other governments.
       Events like 9/11 happen as people seek revenge
 for evil or flawed foreign policy actions by the targeted
 country.
           America was born from bad foreign policy and
 greed. [taxation]
         The governments play their policy games, and
 the citizens and soldiers die for their government's
 agendas.
        Take a hard look at the opium poppy production
 going on now in Afganistan, and tell me all about
 US foreign policy. Is it flawed? Do flawed policy
 actions promote war? Do we as citizens have any
 real control over our government? Are we heading
 for more foreign wars? Who pays?
     If the people living in foreign countries don't
 give a shit about 9/11 anymore, they will become
 the dead pawns in the future foreign policy actions
 that suck them into the conflicts. They will pay...
 one way or another. With their lives, or their money.
     Your destiny is up to you. If you choose to follow
 corrupt leaders expect to suffer.
       There are fifty million deceased examples laying
 in graves all over this world that were the product
 of only about 10 years worth of flawed foreign policy.
 [WWII] They may be silent, but I think they prove my point.
 
 toad


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 10:32am
          A video worth watching. It plays in two parts.
 
  http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/05/wayne-madsen-cia-second-opium-war-in.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FAYsl+%28Gerald+Celente+Trends%29 - http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/05/wayne-madsen-cia-second-opium-war-in.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FAYsl+%28Gerald+Celente+Trends%29
 
      Much discussion about The CIA, the dope, 9/11,and
 who knew what and when. It looks to me that the victims of 9/11 should be given the dignity of learning
 what really happened on that terrible day.
   The government and media version is getting shot
 full of holes.
 
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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 7:02am
woof !


Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 8:57am
Originally posted by winetender winetender wrote:

 Thank you for keeping the memory of those lost, but never forgotten alive. And for always reminding America to NEVER forget 9/11!!!  BTW, dogs have papers too  ~ Nora 
 
 
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WELL SAID NORA!!!!!!!!!
 
I think it's a fallacy other countries don't give a damn about 9/11.  I'm sure they're reminded every time there is a bombing or terrorist act in their country.  "Right wing politics" did not cause 9/11.  The hatred of America by Islamic terrorists can be traced back to the Carter administration - I think Jimmy might take offense at being called "right wing".  The Clinton administration had numerous warnings we would be struck here on American soil and did nothing to prevent it.  The arguments between Sec. of State Madeline Albright & Sec. of Defense William Cohen are well known.  President Clinton opted for Albright's arguments.  Too bad he did.
 
9/11 changed America forever, and it also changed the rest of the world.  It was a global event, not just a national one.  Those who forget or don't care do so at their own risk.
 
Lindsay, your comments do not hurt my feelings but they do expose you for who and what you are.
 
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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 11:25am
Sorry folks it was radical Islamic terrorists who pulled off the 9/11 job, not American right wingers.  I cant believe there are idiots who buy that.  I guees it is true a sucker is born every minute.

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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 4:30pm
           When 90+ percent of the terrorists who
 carried out the 9/11 attacks were SAUDIS.....
    Did the Bush administration go after them? Did the
US attack them? Did we bomb them? Did we do ANYTHING to them?
         Mickey, Who are the idiots?
   When Pearl Harbor was attacked we declared war on
 Japan. The next day. Why didn't the US declare war
 on the Saudis? You got a good reason? We protected
 Saudis that were in this country, and flew them home
 when air traffic was shut down all over the US. WHY ?
       The US hunted down,shot,fire bombed, and nuked
 a few million Japanese, and then made them surrender
 their fate to us after we declared war on them.
     So far the US has done NOTHING to the Saudi
 Government, or people since their citizens attacked
 the US on 9/11. And Mickey calls people searching for
 answers on the 9/11 attacks idiots?
      Any way you cut it, The Saudis are responsible
 for 9/11. If anyone thinks they are not has their head
 up their ass. The Saudis should thank Allah that I wasn't the President of the US on 9/11/2001.
 
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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

           When 90+ percent of the terrorists who
 carried out the 9/11 attacks were SAUDIS.....
    Did the Bush administration go after them? Did the
US attack them? Did we bomb them? Did we do ANYTHING to them?
         Mickey, Who are the idiots?
   When Pearl Harbor was attacked we declared war on
 Japan. The next day. Why didn't the US declare war
 on the Saudis? You got a good reason? We protected
 Saudis that were in this country, and flew them home
 when air traffic was shut down all over the US. WHY ?
       The US hunted down,shot,fire bombed, and nuked
 a few million Japanese, and then made them surrender
 their fate to us after we declared war on them.
     So far the US has done NOTHING to the Saudi
 Government, or people since their citizens attacked
 the US on 9/11. And Mickey calls people searching for
 answers on the 9/11 attacks idiots?
      Any way you cut it, The Saudis are responsible
 for 9/11. If anyone thinks they are not has their head
 up their ass. The Saudis should thank Allah that I wasn't the President of the US on 9/11/2001.
 
 toad
 
 
 
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Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 8:32pm
 Thank You Dream!
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

Originally posted by winetender winetender wrote:

 Thank you for keeping the memory of those lost, but never forgotten alive. And for always reminding America to NEVER forget 9/11!!!  BTW, dogs have papers too  ~ Nora 
 
 
ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapStar
 
WELL SAID NORA!!!!!!!!!
 
I think it's a fallacy other countries don't give a damn about 9/11.  I'm sure they're reminded every time there is a bombing or terrorist act in their country.  "Right wing politics" did not cause 9/11.  The hatred of America by Islamic terrorists can be traced back to the Carter administration - I think Jimmy might take offense at being called "right wing".  The Clinton administration had numerous warnings we would be struck here on American soil and did nothing to prevent it.  The arguments between Sec. of State Madeline Albright & Sec. of Defense William Cohen are well known.  President Clinton opted for Albright's arguments.  Too bad he did.
 
9/11 changed America forever, and it also changed the rest of the world.  It was a global event, not just a national one.  Those who forget or don't care do so at their own risk.
 
Lindsay, your comments do not hurt my feelings but they do expose you for who and what you are.
 
dream


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 6:25am
Well spell it out ! I respond but I think some of you are hateful. You attack on a make it personal level........I guess thats easier than facing the truth. Its Ok I forgive you !



Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 6:42am
Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

Sorry folks it was radical Islamic terrorists who pulled off the 9/11 job, not American right wingers.  I cant believe there are idiots who buy that.  I guees it is true a sucker is born every minute.


I have never heard that one before.......can you link to any news item or your source that reports such a ridiculous notion?

Sounds like a fantasy to me. You are right people who make up such nonsense are a real menace.


Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 7:06am
Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

          9/11 was the direct result of foreign policy.
  flawed foreign policy. Most all wars fought in the last

 century, and now this century, find their roots in

 distructive foreign policy that is pushed by greed,

 power, and the quest for natural resources that one

 wants to obtain across borders.

       The fifty plus million citizens that died in WWII

  did so following the direction of their


leaders..in












 the government and the military.

        The power factions of most governments seek

 wealth and power over other governments.

       Events like 9/11 happen as people seek revenge

 for evil or flawed foreign policy actions by the targeted

 country.

           America was born from bad foreign policy and

 greed. [taxation]

         The governments play their policy games, and

 the citizens and soldiers die for their government's

 agendas.

        Take a hard look at the opium poppy production

 going on now in Afganistan, and tell me all about

 US foreign policy. Is it flawed? Do flawed policy

 actions promote war? Do we as citizens have any

 real control over our government? Are we heading

 for more foreign wars? Who pays?

     If the people living in foreign countries don't

 give a shit about 9/11 anymore, they will become

 the dead pawns in the future foreign policy actions

 that suck them into the conflicts. They will pay...

 one way or another. With their lives, or their money.

     Your destiny is up to you. If you choose to follow

 corrupt leaders expect to suffer.

       There are fifty million deceased examples laying

 in graves all over this world that were the product

 of only about 10 years worth of flawed foreign policy.

 [WWII] They may be silent, but I think they prove my point.

 

 toad





Toad. What is Government? You and others explain things well here, but If Governance is to blame for the bad things that happen around the world......How do we do anything collectively without trusting in a Government of any kind. I see religion as an early form of Govenrment..........it has failed to. I know I say things in a bantering fashion but I am completely earnest with regard to my political beliefs.....just wanting a better planet like anyone should for everyone rather than a chosen few. .


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 9:03am
      Governments exist because of borders. Borders
 are in place because of cultures. Cultures are set by
 religions,race, and segregation brought about by fear.
      Human nature makes us fear things we don't understand,or choose to embrace.
      For anyone born into a society that has borders
 and a government in place, they are urged to conform
 to the rules and methods set up by that government
 enity. The same would apply to those born into a
 tribe... a primal tribe..in the woods or jungle that
 have no known borders to those people.
       We are taught and sometimes duped to believe
 our collective leaders. Parental,[family] tribal, village,
 city,state, and national leaders.
      As individuals we are sometimes powerless to go
 against the will of our leaders or government, depending on how powerfull those leaders, or governments become over time. The same can be said
 of religions, which also have power over the mass
 of people in cultures.
         Human nature dictates that we all seek to have
 foreign cultures  allow us to live our lives with no
 intervention from established borders, respect our
 religions, and not invade or harm us. Governments are
 formed to procure this quest for safety and security.
        The citizens tranfer their faith to government
 and religions because they believe there is strength
 in numbers. Like a gang mentality.
     The governments or leaders set up rules or laws
 to control the masses. The citizens exist in the cultures
 by following the rules and are dependant on their
 governments to maintain their needs to survive.
      I think we all know what happens when the
 segregation,religion,dependancy,monitary, and
 survival factors clash between tribes,cultures,
 and governments. Endless conflict.
      The insane facts are that we ALL are dependant
 on each other. Humans have a hard time buying into
 that concept[for many reasons] but it is true.
    Every action we do effects all the others in one way
 or another all over the planet.
      Will peoples of all nations ever realise that our
 survival depends on each other? I'm not sure I will
 be around to find out.
        Trusting any government or religion has risks....
 now more than ever before. It's up to us to figure
 out who to trust with our fate. If anyone has more
 to add to this explination I would love to hear your
 words.
 
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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 9:36am
Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

Well spell it out ! I respond but I think some of you are hateful. You attack on a make it personal level........I guess thats easier than facing the truth. Its Ok I forgive you !

 
Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?  You need to go back over your statements in many threads here.  It's you who attacks America, so-called right wingers, Republicans, fellow forumers and anyone who disagrees with your opinions.  You've made liberal use of name calling, insults and dismissive comments. When some of us respond in kind you dont' like it and you forgive us???  PULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!!  That is truly laughable.LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
 
dream


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

Well spell it out ! I respond but I think some of you are hateful. You attack on a make it personal level........I guess thats easier than facing the truth. Its Ok I forgive you !

 
Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?  You need to go back over your statements in many threads here.  It's you who attacks America, so-called right wingers, Republicans, fellow forumers and anyone who disagrees with your opinions.  You've made liberal use of name calling, insults and dismissive comments. When some of us respond in kind you dont' like it and you forgive us???  PULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!!  That is truly laughable.LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
 
dream


I`m sorry is this a five minute tizzy or a full half an hour?  


Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 3:43pm

Lindsay I think the only reason you come here is to aggrivate people.  Now when it comes to poltics people dont always agree, and sometimes it gets heated (one of the reasons why I dont like to discuss the subject).  This forum is one of the few places I have been to where people dont yell and scream at each other who have different political viewpoints.

Lindsay its obvious you need to learn some manners and respect.  You dont have to agree with anyone here, but act like an adult and treat people here with respect.
 
 
Then again maybe you are just a little bratty child who got a hold of your daddy's PC and started posting.
 
 
Then again why did you ever come to this country in the first place?
 
We got enough assholes here.


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Posted By: M I X E Y
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 4:53am
hummmmm...
Where does one begin? 
 
Geno...
Your Associated Press article is unavailable.  I'm wondering why.  It's not that old of a report.
 
Lindsay... 
I agree.  Expressing another viewpoint that may mirror a predominate viewpoint that is held in other countries is not being Anti-American. 
 
Dream...
You hopped all over Lindsay's case like he couldn't care less for the victims of 911.  He didn't say that.  He said that the whole topic is boring to him at this point... a view that is shared by many people here, and a lot of people in other countries as well.
 
I have the same feeling of not wanting to hear anything else about 911... you know why?  Because I feel like I'm being lied to. 
 
The only thing I know for sure is that a whole lot of people died in those towers and on the ground... from this country and from others; and it made and makes me very sad and angry.
 
I become upset when I hear singing and look at pillars of light to "honor" the victims.  I understand those ceremonies; but I want them in addition to honoring their lives... and in order to do that... it's necessary to me that others should not fall victim in their name.
 
I wanted our government to remember 911 in the following way:
 
1)  In the name of 911... Make sure that others don't come in harms way who are working hard to remove the rubble and clean-up.
 
2)  In the name of 911... Make sure nobody authorizes the killing of innocent people in other countries.
 
3)  In the name of 911... Make sure nobody creates phony scare tactics designed to win elections.
 
4)  In the name of 911... Make sure nobody in authority attempts to prejudice a population.
 
5)  Tell the victim's families the truth about what happened on 911. 
 
6)  Assure the victim's families that whomever was behind their loved one's deaths will be caught and punished... and actually do it. 
 
Bin Lauden can't be found?  I don't believe that.
 
Nora... 
When 911 happened, I was so sad for the victim's families and for our country.  I was filled with fear as well, wondering if we would be attacked again.
 
My fear and sadness quickly turned to rage and disgust, however; because I knew quickly that our government was choosing not to protect the people of NY in the aftermath of the disaster.  Murdering innocent people in Iraq wasn't a very nice response to the horror we experienced here either.
 
I don't think it's a big stretch to find that many people around the world have been "Shock & Awe-d" out of wanting to hear anything more about 911, because of our government's supposed response to it. 
 
Toad...
Religion/Politics... the who dun it of all of the wars in history, no matter what soil they are/were on... were ALL about money.
 
911 happened because of greed.  It doesn't matter whose greed we're talking about, because the "need" for greed is a universal insanity.  It makes partners out of the most unlikely people, and motivates the most insane "beliefs".
 
There seems to be no well (let alone oil well)... no pockets deep enough... to satisfy all of the greed of humanity.
 
MickeyMac...
I respect your right to call someone an asshole; but since you're making a point about respect...  Confused
 
~  ~  ~  ~  ~
 
Whatever we do to someone else... we do to ourselves.
 
Mixey
 


Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 7:56am
Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

Lindsay I think the only reason you come here is to aggrivate people.  Now when it comes to poltics people dont always agree, and sometimes it gets heated (one of the reasons why I dont like to discuss the subject).  This forum is one of the few places I have been to where people dont yell and scream at each other who have different political viewpoints.



Lindsay its obvious you need to learn some manners and respect.  You dont have to agree with anyone here, but act like an adult and treat people here with respect.

 

 

Then again maybe you are just a little bratty child who got a hold of your daddy's PC and started posting.

 

 

Then again why did you ever come to this country in the first place?

 

We got enough assholes here.




Listen I come here because I was invited to..... if say more than you asks me to move on then I might feel that to be the best course of action.
If you don`t get a buzz out of the communication then switch off the station........you don`t so you must enjoy bantering with me.

I am not a number I am a free thinker......


I`d rather be back home..........no offense intended but its my home. I came here because I was invited and it was the best practical move at the time and then I got married and was given a green card by the U.S. Government wOO! the big bad government!! I swore an oath thingy and I will stick to it..........but I`ll not stop running my mouth for anyone.....





LoL. Its all bull any way, you live ,love, hurt and die and watch Dr Who in between.........


Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 8:21am
Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

          9/11 was the direct result of foreign policy.
  flawed foreign policy. Most all wars fought in the last

 century, and now this century, find their roots in

 distructive foreign policy that is pushed by greed,

 power, and the quest for natural resources that one

 wants to obtain across borders.

       The fifty plus million citizens that died in WWII

  did so following the direction of their leaders..in

 the government and the military.

        The power factions of most governments seek

 wealth and power over other governments.

       Events like 9/11 happen as people seek revenge

 for evil or flawed foreign policy actions by the targeted

 country.

           America was born from bad foreign policy and

 greed. [taxation]

         The governments play their policy games, and

 the citizens and soldiers die for their government's

 agendas.

        Take a hard look at the opium poppy production

 going on now in Afganistan, and tell me all about

 US foreign policy. Is it flawed? Do flawed policy

 actions promote war? Do we as citizens have any

 real control over our government? Are we heading

 for more foreign wars? Who pays?

     If the people living in foreign countries don't

 give a shit about 9/11 anymore, they will become

 the dead pawns in the future foreign policy actions

 that suck them into the conflicts. They will pay...

 one way or another. With their lives, or their money.

     Your destiny is up to you. If you choose to follow

 corrupt leaders expect to suffer.

       There are fifty million deceased examples laying

 in graves all over this world that were the product

 of only about 10 years worth of flawed foreign policy.

 [WWII] They may be silent, but I think they prove my point.

 

 toad



I am sure there are people in the center of China, India or Dumbo somewhere really worrying about the sad effects of the 9/11 attack . I bet they toss and turn at night......it must be a complete distraction to their own fight for survival.


Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 8:26am
Mixey,  most of the comments made in this thread were from September 2007.  I had forgotten the thread even existed until I saw Lindsay's recent post.  I found the post offensive and I stand by my interpretation and comments in response.  We are all allowed our opinions and to agree to disagree.  If Lindsay intends to use insults and name calling, which he has done in numerous threads in the Village, then I choose to respond in kind.  I will treat people with civility and respect on this forum who treat me the same.
 
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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 9:29am
         Free discussion about subjects on this forum
   are to enlighten us all. Opinions without discussions
 help no one. We all share differant views from our lifes
 expiriences and backgrounds.
     It's only natural for us to harbor differant or opposing views on various subjects. The banter
 promotes understanding and should not foster ill will.
    To disagree is one matter. To call out off color
 remarks about members is quite another.
       9/11 was the most intense event to occure in
 America in the last decade. It will be a topic of
 discussion and controversy for many decades to
 come. Try as we may, we won't solve all the questions
 emerging about 9/11 on this forum. We may however
 get a damn good understanding of why it happened,
 and who and what were the causes.
    If you seek answers...keep reading and posting.
 If not, check out American Idol and forget this thread.
 
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Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 9:35am
We're all entitled to our opinions and interpretations.  That's what this place is about.
 
Mixey
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 9:49am
Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

          9/11 was the direct result of foreign policy.
  flawed foreign policy. Most all wars fought in the last

 century, and now this century, find their roots in

 distructive foreign policy that is pushed by greed,

 power, and the quest for natural resources that one

 wants to obtain across borders.

       The fifty plus million citizens that died in WWII

  did so following the direction of their leaders..in

 the government and the military.

        The power factions of most governments seek

 wealth and power over other governments.

       Events like 9/11 happen as people seek revenge

 for evil or flawed foreign policy actions by the targeted

 country.

           America was born from bad foreign policy and

 greed. [taxation]

         The governments play their policy games, and

 the citizens and soldiers die for their government's

 agendas.

        Take a hard look at the opium poppy production

 going on now in Afganistan, and tell me all about

 US foreign policy. Is it flawed? Do flawed policy

 actions promote war? Do we as citizens have any

 real control over our government? Are we heading

 for more foreign wars? Who pays?

     If the people living in foreign countries don't

 give a shit about 9/11 anymore, they will become

 the dead pawns in the future foreign policy actions

 that suck them into the conflicts. They will pay...

 one way or another. With their lives, or their money.

     Your destiny is up to you. If you choose to follow

 corrupt leaders expect to suffer.

       There are fifty million deceased examples laying

 in graves all over this world that were the product

 of only about 10 years worth of flawed foreign policy.

 [WWII] They may be silent, but I think they prove my point.

 

 toad



I am sure there are people in the center of China, India or Dumbo somewhere really worrying about the sad effects of the 9/11 attack . I bet they toss and turn at night......it must be a complete distraction to their own fight for survival.
  Lindsay, how dare you attempt to dismiss or disrespect the memories of our Fallen Military who gave their lives to protect our Freedoms? Since you have papers, may I suggest that you enlist in the Military, put on a uniform, carry a weapon & defend The United States Of America! Or, move to Dumbo & join them in praying that the USA will come to their aide like all the other countries do!

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Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:08am
 Hi Mixey! As you may have noticed, I never get involved in Political or other argumentative threads. But when someone crosses the line & makes my blood boil, I cannot sit quietly by & allow them to defame the USA!  ~ Nora 

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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:19am
Lindsay, how dare you attempt to dismiss or disrespect the memories of our Fallen Military who gave their lives to protect our Freedoms? Since you have papers, may I suggest that you enlist in the Military, put on a uniform, carry a weapon & defend The United States Of America! Or, move to Dumbo & join them in praying that the USA will come to their aide like all the other countries do!
Tempt Me!
Well said Nora!!  I am sick and tired of all the bashing of this country and the military who have sacrificed their lives so we may live in freedom.  If all these countries hate us so much, why don't they turn down the financial aid we send.  If people hate this country so much why are there so many coming into the country legally and illegally to live here.  Could it be there lives would be better here?
 
The United States has its faults, no doubt.  However, I cannot think of a better place to live.  As Winston Churchill said, Democracy is the worst form of governement until you try something else.  If people come here and don't like it, stop living off us and go back to where you came from.
 
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Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 11:01am
Hi Nora...
Nothing wrong in saying what you feel.
 
Toad...
I agree... giving personal opinions and bashing others without discussion doesn't move anyone forward.
 
Dream...
I'm sick of people who bash people who have put their lives on the line to defend our freedoms as well.
 
~  ~  ~  ~  ~
 
I'm extremely sick of people who are in power, who take advantage of our brave souls in the military, by lying to them and putting them in harms way unnecessarily for their own power hungry gains.
 
I'm also extremely sick of those in the military who behave like depraved, blood thirsty animals while they're on their missions, and then it's covered up.
 
I'm sick of heartless editing of the reality of seeing the images of the flag draped coffins of our fallen millitary. 
 
I'm sick of Americans in power, who are not honoring Americans.
 
I'll never be sick of people who speak their truths, even if their truths are not popular.
 
Mixey
on as S. P. A. T., but speaking my own opinions, not necessarily shared by the rest of our team.
 


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 11:46am
           There is a major differance between being
 a citizen and being a member of the US military...
 whatever branch of service.
        We now have voluntary military service. No one is being "pressed" into service like when the draft was
 invoked. As citizens we enjoy all the freedoms afforded
 to us by our government. As military members we are in
 the direct control of the pentagon leaders[for whatever
 branch] and the President of the United States.
      Citizen follow their own directions...whatever they
 may be. Military members follow orders from those in
 higher command. Citizens are supposed to follow
 the rule of laws. Soldiers are supposed to follow orders.
    Citizens are innocent untill proven guilty in a court
 of law. Soldiers are guilty untill proven innocent in a
 military court.
       Citizens enjoy all the freedoms the country can
provide. Soldiers give up many freedoms to serve, but
 that is what they signed up for, and they make that
 sacrifice of their own free will. Soldiers serve so the
 rest of us don't have to. They should be respected for
 their sacrifice and service, and not by what they are
 ordered to do. What soldiers do falls at the feet of
 higher command, and the Commander-In-Chief. [ The
 President.]
 
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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 12:08pm
      Lindz,
   I can agree that many..many millions of people
 may not care at all about the 9/11 event, but what does that have to do about this thread, or about how
 Americans feel about 9/11 ???
         There are millions of Americans that are effected
 and concerned about the 9/11 event, and their concern
 will not be fading anytime soon given all these recent
 terror incidents happening lately.
     The quality of life you have as you live, love, hurt,
 and die depends a lot on where you are. If you would
 rather be going through this mess in your former
 home...I understand that. There is no place like home,
 regardless of where you now are.
     Not too many immigrants in this country want to
 assimilate into our way of life, or adopt our views and
 politics. It's a tribal thing.
 
 toad


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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 3:21pm
Lindsay do everyone here a favor and leave.
 
 
You are not wanted.
 
Go back to the UK, I'll help you pack.
 


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 4:27pm
        Mickey,
   You are out of line. WAY OUT.
  Your comment to Lindz might fly on some forums
 but not this one. DO NOT attempt to corrupt this
 forum with that form of attack.
     No one leaves this place unless they choose to
 leave. You have no right to speak for others here.
 
 toad


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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 4:33pm
Thats not the way I see it Toad.
 
 
Lindsay has no right to come here and insult people who dont agree with his veiwpoints.  I for one am not going to put up with that crap.  I also made it clear I dont like Lindsay, so therefore I cant say anything kind to him.
 
 
Instead of jumping on me Toad you ought to get on him.  He started this thing.  Whose side are you on????


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 6:03pm
        Mickey,
    If you don't care for his posts, views, or him..that
 is your business. He has the same rights as you do here. If you don't like his views or words, hit the minus
 button. Don't think you are needed to defend others here. Your not. They are capable of voicing their own
 protests and defending themselves.
    I don't want anyone telling me who to love, hate,
 embrace or reject. You included.
     I don't believe that Lindz is the only person in this
 Village who thinks there are many things wrong in
 America at this time. Is this quote correct?
    "Judge not lest ye be judged"


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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 6:11pm
Lindzay is the issue because he made himself the issue.  This is not the first time this has happened with him.  He seeks attention by insulting others on a personal level who do not agree with his views.  When the tables are turned he cries foul.  This thread was started in 2007 and most of the posts reflect that.  Lindsay started it up again with his crude remarks about 9/11.  Some may call it discussion, I don't.  I call it baiting by someone who thrives on personal attacks. 
 
dream


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

Lindzay is the issue because he made himself the issue.  This is not the first time this has happened with him.  He seeks attention by insulting others on a personal level who do not agree with his views.  When the tables are turned he cries foul.  This thread was started in 2007 and most of the posts reflect that.  Lindsay started it up again with his crude remarks about 9/11.  Some may call it discussion, I don't.  I call it baiting by someone who thrives on personal attacks. 
 
dream



 The I.R.A. killed a friend of mine. I know all about terrorists ..........but you of course  were remote from all of that and prolly never gave a thought to the killing going on across the pond. I did care a great deal about what happened that day..............my wife to be was brave and visited me in the Uk the very next month. 

I care about a lot of things ..........but thinking that the rest of the world should stop working because of that attack         is just not going to happen.

Honest opinion thats all ..............Ask Rush about freedom to say what you want .


Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

Lindsay, how dare you attempt to dismiss or disrespect the memories of our Fallen Military who gave their lives to protect our Freedoms? Since you have papers, may I suggest that you enlist in the Military, put on a uniform, carry a weapon & defend The United States Of America! Or, move to Dumbo & join them in praying that the USA will come to their aide like all the other countries do!
Tempt Me!
Well said Nora!!  I am sick and tired of all the bashing of this country and the military who have sacrificed their lives so we may live in freedom.  If all these countries hate us so much, why don't they turn down the financial aid we send.  If people hate this country so much why are there so many coming into the country legally and illegally to live here.  Could it be there lives would be better here?
 
The United States has its faults, no doubt.  However, I cannot think of a better place to live.  As Winston Churchill said, Democracy is the worst form of governement until you try something else.  If people come here and don't like it, stop living off us and go back to where you came from.
 
dream





 I never bashed the military?.

If I sat down and considered all of the battles my little country has fought for its survival over the last millennium I`d  have no day left do do what the wife has denoted on my daily to do list.

I`m too old to enlist. I`d like to be an air raid warden though cuz I would have an easy time of it over here and I like shouting " Turn that F--king light out"


Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 9:57pm

A suggestion for those bothered by Lindsay's words.

It may be true that Lindsay IS making his statements just to stir the pot ...
some of his prior posts here do seem worded "for effect."  Perhaps he
does have an emotional need to get a rise out of folks and re-train the
spotlight on himself.  I don't know if this is the case; and I don't care.
 
But if you're irked, here's your best defense: don't feed the fire. 
Children who squall for attention always grow tired of ranting when
they're paid no attention.  Works every time. 
 
Remember Oscar Wilde's timeless words:
"The only thing worse than being talked about ... is not being talked about."
 
I encourage everyone to share your opinions freely.  And to always do it
with civility and class.  I've left angry posts here that I later regretted.
In the last half year I've struggled with a nasty injury and depression;
I've been in a lot of pain.  And I finally had an "A-HA!" moment where I
realized I had to step back and check my frame of mind before I started
typing.  I've actually walked away from the keyboard a LOT recently.
 
Here on the internet, the words you leave behind stay behind.
And your words will mark you and qualify you as much as deeds do.
 
Those who would use words to ply and manipulate will be seen for what they are.
Those who use words to engage and enlighten will also be judged accordingly.
Think twice before typing.  And remember: nobody can piss you off
without your permission.
  


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

      Lindz,
   I can agree that many..many millions of people
 may not care at all about the 9/11 event, but what does that have to do about this thread, or about how
 Americans feel about 9/11 ???
         There are millions of Americans that are effected
 and concerned about the 9/11 event, and their concern
 will not be fading anytime soon given all these recent
 terror incidents happening lately.
     The quality of life you have as you live, love, hurt,
 and die depends a lot on where you are. If you would
 rather be going through this mess in your former
 home...I understand that. There is no place like home,
 regardless of where you now are.
     Not too many immigrants in this country want to
 assimilate into our way of life, or adopt our views and
 politics. It's a tribal thing.
 
 toad

 

 Toad..........

My original post.

"Tis getting a little dull now..............Its past and whoever is to blame has been punished by now, mainly the many followers of the terrorist fandango. I say that since no one has been able to pin point the blame; Nope not Bin Laden either lets put it down now. It was upsetting and scary but its not a great deal up against what the west has done to others and other nations in the name of what we say we believe in...............Its history.

Imagine if you had to live through the Blitz?"


I thought it a valid point that many have been punished. I hope that the many were the right ones. I dread that more than a few of those punished were indeed not the ones that ought to have taken the brunt of a nations anger. I believe attacking a country rather that weeding out the element that deserved to be made an example of was wrong.  I felt sickened to my stomach when  I saw those planes fly into those buildings.......but odd as it might sound I  kind of understood why and annoyingly I have never found an eloquent way of saying why I felt that way .


I tend to believe now that the whole thing is being used to make political ground..................far worse than what I said.  I am thinking about making an apology for any upset I may have caused but not for what I think.
I should have started another thread.



Do not fret I shall be back and prolly a bigger asshole tomorrow.:)






Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:41pm


  Clap


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 8:11am
          Lindz,
     I am glad to see you using more than one short
 paragraph to explain your position and views.
      The peoples that the US has punished for 9/11
 are a varied group. Only a select few had anything to do with the attack.
     The administrations of the US government over the
 last fifty years has fueled the muslim hatred directed
 towards America. Most all of the foreign policy decisions
 by these administrations will never see the light of day
 due to the cries of "national security issues" that we
 hear all the time.
       US foreign policy has been dictated to the administrations from groups that are "secret," and
 above citizen scrutiny. If anyone questions their
 actions, we are told the same old line.... It is a
 matter of "National Security."
    As secret as they wish to remain, the internet is
 now disclosing most of their actions world wide.
    It is the select "alphabet" orginizations that are
 setting foreign policy that the normal citizens, and
 congressional [voted in ] represenatives have little
 or no control over.
       CIA, NSA, CFR, and groups like the Tri-laterial
 commision have had major control over foreign policy
 going back to the beginning of the cold war.
      This is why we will never learn the true story of
 9/11...who, what, and why. The real blame is shared
 by hundreds..some living and some long dead.
     Bin Ladin and his followers are the "Boggie men"
 we are told to blame. Once he is removed, a new
 Boogie man will emerge, shifting the focus away from
 the real folks who are doing the damage.
     The average citizen has no input or ability to stop
 this madness, and we will probably never see the end of it untill the country crashes like the Romans... and
 then it won't really matter.
 
 toad


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 8:24am
      The cries heard every election period by the two
 primary political parties is always the same.....
      "Lets take control of this government BACK TO
 THE PEOPLE ! "
     The big question we need to be asking is when
 did "The People" have anything to do with running
  the government?..... here or anywhere else.
 
 toad


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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 10:34am
I say screw it.
 
 
I made no secret about my dislike for Lindsay, and I cannot post on the same forum as him.
 
 
As they say in the west, this town isnt big enough for the both of us, and i know Mixey wont throw Lindsay off this forum (even though in my opinion thats what she should do because his behaviour here is inexcusable).   If yall want to argue with that piece of shit, be my guest.  I dont need the noise.
 
 
Dream, Toad, Jeff, and everyone else here I like if you want to get in touch with me you can find me on facebook.
 
 
In the words of Hank Snow and Ray Charles  "I'm movin' on".


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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 10:50am
Mickey,  that's giving Lindzay what he wants.  I fully understand how you feel, but I hope you'll reconsider.  I, too, am tired of his remarks and insults.  I intend to take a break from it.  Jeff, is right about ignoring him and not giving him fuel for his fire.  I already decided I'm through communicating with him on this forum and through reading his posts.  He's not worth the time or effort.
 
You bet I'll see you on Facebook - that's where we spend most of our time these days anyway.  We get to pick and choose who we associate with there and that's a good thing.
 
I hope you'll come back here from time to time.  We don't always agree but we've managed to deal with each other in a civil manner - I respect that and I respect and like you, too.
 
In the meantime, see you on FB.
 
dream


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 1:07pm
Come back ya silly So and So. Don't leave on a sacrifice fly....   


Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 2:50pm
MM..
 
Don't split.  Not over this. 
 
You've contributed a LOT to this forum. It would be a shame to lose your input.  I've learned about some really cool bands and artists through your posts and I especially look forward to these posts.  We'd be losing your particular expertise here, and that'd be a drag. 
 
Sure, you can post on FB ...but FB ain't like this place. 
 
Stick around.


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 3:01pm
        I didn't find Lindzay's original post offensive,
 and wasn't offended by it. I didn't see where he made
 any statements regarding the military. I didn't see
 any disrespect for the victims of 9/11.
       I did read his displeasure of US foreign policy,
 which I agree with him about. His post questioned
 the story the American people have been fed about
 "Cause" of 9/11. I question that story too.
    I'm too damn old for knee-jerk reactions. If you
 hit me hard in the head I may scream out an hour later.
      I don't believe Lindz is just "Baiting" people here.
 I think he is seeking answers for things that may be
 of concern to him.
 
 toad


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

I say screw it.

 

 

I made no secret about my dislike for Lindsay, and I cannot post on the same forum as him.

 

 

As they say in the west, this town isnt big enough for the both of us, and i know Mixey wont throw Lindsay off this forum (even though in my opinion thats what she should do because his behaviour here is inexcusable).   If yall want to argue with that piece of shit, be my guest.  I dont need the noise.

 

 

Dream, Toad, Jeff, and everyone else here I like if you want to get in touch with me you can find me on facebook.

 

 

In the words of Hank Snow and Ray Charles  "I'm movin' on".




I have changed my mind.............You were always the cry baby right from the start...........and you are still seeking support from others......calling out Mixey is not fair by any means. I still don`t know what it was that set you off on this get Lindsay thing all that time ago. ..............I absolutely swear on my dear mothers life . Now should that not be enough ??????????????????? I don`t care what you think of me but for f--k sake accept it was a misunderstanding. My life you`d never last a second in the Brit work place ..........

or fuck off .........

    


Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 5:27pm

Spot on, Toad.  Clap



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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 8:32pm
Originally posted by toad toad wrote:

       The cries heard every election period by the two
 primary political parties is always the same.....

      "Lets take control of this government BACK TO

 THE PEOPLE ! "

     The big question we need to be asking is when

 did "The People" have anything to do with running

  the government?..... here or anywhere else.

 

 toad





I read your posts but its hard to soak it up....I am guilty of not wanting to fight but to fight like a cockerel . It seems to be a win at all cost political system in this country. I decided that I was not going to lose thats my little emotional hang up.........I am relentless to my own cost and many times over in my life....But true to myself.

I apologize for that remark I made to you in German....I do regret that but and only that since I have been posting at this site. That said....


Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 9:12pm
Congratulations...
Soulful Planet has just mirrored what's wrong with the world. 
 
2 intelligent people with a political agenda, have caused an argument between people who actually think we're all talking about the same thing.
 
To shed some Reality here...
Geno revived this tread a few weeks ago to direct our attention to an article from the Associated Press... an article that sheds light on the fact that Many people were harmed in the aftermath of 911, as evidenced by the lawsuits and money involved. 
 
How about responding to Gene's original post... about all of the people who have been harmed in the aftermath of 911, and who if anyone other than the lawyers, will get money for it!!!   
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 9:35pm
   Lindz,       To allow yourself to fight for a cause can be a
 nobel thing to do if you personally believe that cause is just. It also can end badly if the cause is a fake and you
 end up suckered. Choosing to fight sometimes takes a
 blind commitment or following the will of others.
  It's your ass on the line and you make the choice.
        Americans reject the thought that their leaders
 may lie to them. Many Americans, [depending on
 how and where they were raised] have strong family
 ties,are religious,are moral and ethical and cannot
 believe that leaders could be corrupted on their watch.
      Most do not own computers and rely on what they
 see on the three major news networks. A sad situation.
     Americans see the two party battle unfold every
 night. It's an illusion and staged crock of shit to feed
 the feeble minded masses.
      You cannot see the bombardment of two party
 crap, day in and day out without getting caught up
 in that frenzied mess. Most pick sides...on party
 lines spread by party and media bullshit. People that
 fall into either crock pot have a hard time climbing
 out...and seeing the light.
      There is nothing at all wrong with being true to yourself.
 It's your life.
       If you made a remark to me in German, I wouldn't
 understand or be able to translate it. Maybe a good thing,eh?
 
 toad


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by S. P. A. T. S. P. A. T. wrote:



Congratulations...

Soulful Planet has just mirrored what's wrong with the world. 

 

2 intelligent people with a political agenda, have caused an argument between people who actually think we're all talking about the same thing.

 

To shed some Reality here...


Geno revived this tread a few weeks ago to direct our attention to an article from the Associated Press... an article that sheds light on the fact that Many people were harmed in the aftermath of 911, as evidenced by the lawsuits and money involved. 

 

How about responding to Gene's original post... about all of the people who have been harmed in the aftermath of 911, and who if anyone other than the lawyers, will get money for it!!!   

<FONT size=7> 

Mixey

S. P. A. T.



yes......Gene`s and many threads and threads for the wildlife about to die. I wonder how nature will balance that one?


Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 11:17am
Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

I say screw it.

 

 

I made no secret about my dislike for Lindsay, and I cannot post on the same forum as him.

 

 

As they say in the west, this town isnt big enough for the both of us, and i know Mixey wont throw Lindsay off this forum (even though in my opinion thats what she should do because his behaviour here is inexcusable).   If yall want to argue with that piece of shit, be my guest.  I dont need the noise.

 

 

Dream, Toad, Jeff, and everyone else here I like if you want to get in touch with me you can find me on facebook.

 

 

In the words of Hank Snow and Ray Charles  "I'm movin' on".




I have changed my mind.............You were always the cry baby right from the start...........and you are still seeking support from others......calling out Mixey is not fair by any means. I still don`t know what it was that set you off on this get Lindsay thing all that time ago. ..............I absolutely swear on my dear mothers life . Now should that not be enough ??????????????????? I don`t care what you think of me but for f--k sake accept it was a misunderstanding. My life you`d never last a second in the Brit work place ..........

or fuck off .........

    
 
 
 
Changed my mind you British piece of shit
 
 
I am not going anywhere, you are stuck my me you dog.
 
 
I'll leave when I decide to leave.
 
 
I am just going to ignore you because you deserve to be ignored.   Frankly you deserve a lot worse.


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Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 11:23am
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAY MICKEY!!!!!   Glad you're back.Thumbs%20UpBig%20smileClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap

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Posted By: winetender
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 11:39am
Originally posted by dream207 dream207 wrote:

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAY MICKEY!!!!!   Glad you're back.Thumbs%20UpBig%20smileClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
   I second that emotion!!! ClapClapClapClapClapClapClap 

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Posted By: Gene_Leone_Mix
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 1:46pm
Updates of what's really going on right now, today:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/1000-architectsengineers-and-100-firefighters-expose-911-myths-at-san-francisco-bay-area-events-93064484.html - 1000 Architects/Engineers and 100 Firefighters Expose 9/11 Myths at San Francisco Bay Area Events
"— Technical building experts & firefighters demand investigation of NIST for illegal cover-up of forensic evidence —
Controlled demolition contractor provides key testimony citing explosives"
"— BERKELEY, Calif., May 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Over the last eight years, numerous inadequate government investigations have allowed many myths and misconceptions about the events of September 11, 2001 to foster; especially the unprecedented destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) skyscrapers 1, 2 and 7. In order to expose these myths, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. (AE911Truth.org) and Firefighters for 9/11 Truth (Firefightersfor911truth.org) ...
" (taking place this weekend) ...

"—At these events, Erik Lawyer, a 14-year Seattle Firefighter and founder of Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Richard Gage, AIA, Architect and founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. will expose many of the 9/11 myths in an interactive, dynamic multimedia presentation. Using well-documented forensic evidence, news footage and eyewitness testimony, they will address and correct myths such as: "The fires were hot enough from ordinary jet fuel to weaken the structural steel; The floors of the towers collapsed like pancakes;" and "there were only two skyscrapers to collapse on 9/11." Demolition contractor Tom Sullivan will present why he "has no doubt that World Trade Center Building 7 was a timed explosive implosion event whose destruction was certainly not due to fire as reported." Mr. Sullivan worked for Controlled Demolitions Inc., the top rated explosive demolition firm in the world owned by the Loizeaux family, during the years surrounding 9/11 as an explosive loader for three years. He placed explosives in many buildings to prepare them for demolition."

"Topics to be covered will include key issues omitted from official reports and mainstream media coverage, such as the mysterious free-fall collapse of the 47 story WTC Building 7; the ubiquitous molten metal found under the towers and across lower Manhattan; and advanced nano-thermitic composite explosives found in the WTC dust."

"Additionally, the presentations will prove that previous government investigations did not follow standard fire investigation procedures, and that the government investigators did not test for evidence of exotic accelerants and/or explosives. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Firefighters for 9/11 Truth have called for a federal grand jury investigation of Shyam Sunder, NIST Lead Investigator and John Gross, NIST Co-Project Leader (National Institute for Standards and Technology) for the illegal cover-up of forensic evidence."

"Veteran Bay Area radio personality Peter B. Collins will host this penetrating examination of the most critical event in recent American history. For additional information, and to arrange interviews, please contact Tania Torres at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth: (510) 292-4710, or by email at 1000@ae911truth.org.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation and its existence is dedicated to the victims, families and all others throughout the world affected by the tragic events of September 11, 2001 and its aftermath. We are a non-partisan association of architects, engineers, and affiliates. Our mission is to research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence relative to the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, calling for a truly open and independent investigation and supporting others in the pursuit of justice."

"Firefighters for 9-11 Truth is a non-partisan association of firefighters and affiliates created to increase awareness, provide public education, demand a real investigation that follows National Standards, and provide support to our Brothers and Sisters in need. We are deeply troubled by the "official story," and the way the rescue workers from Ground Zero have been forgotten. We believe there is overwhelming evidence of obstruction of justice, and destruction of evidence voiced even by numerous 9/11 Commissioners themselves. Senator Cleland resigned from the Commission stating, "This investigation is now compromised...it is a national scandal."
SOURCE Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth... ... " http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/1000-architectsengineers-and-100-firefighters-expose-911-myths-at-san-francisco-bay-area-events-93064484.html - 1000 Architects/Engineers and 100 Firefighters Expose 9/11 Myths at San Francisco Bay Area Events (full article click here)

~~~
Hint hint...
... follow the money that was "made", and "who" got it and "who" directly benefitted as a direct result of the horrible events that happened on 9/11 ... just keep an open mind and look for "greed" at any cost to innocent others that were simply considered "collateral damage".
~~~

I'll shut up now ...& Back to this:

FEDERAL JUDGE REJECTS WTC SETTLEMENT THAT DIDN’T PROVIDE ENOUGH MONEY TO VICTIMS
http://www.mesotheliomanews.com/2010/05/04/federal-judge-rejects-wtc-settlement/ - www.mesotheliomanews.com/2010/05/04

MAY 4, 2010
"— U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein rejected a settlement that would have provided from $575 million to $657 million to first responders who worked at the World Trade Center (WTC) site in New York City following the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. The judge indicated that the amount of the settlement was not sufficient, in his opinion, and that the attorneys’ fees should come from the WTC Captive Insurance Co. fund instead of from the victims."

"According to Judge Hellerstein, the police officers, firefighters and laborers who made up the 10,000 plaintiffs had been pushed into an agreement they didn’t necessarily understand. The settlement involved a complicated system to determine how much money each plaintiff would receive based on the severity of their injuries, and they would only have 90 days to decide whether or not to accept the deal."

"The judge rejected the settlement in order to give workers more time and opportunity to learn about the settlement and ask questions, making himself personally available to the plaintiffs to answer questions in schools, union halls, fire houses and police precincts."

"The plaintiffs worked near fires that smoldered for three months at the WTC site. They were exposed to pulverized concrete, asbestos dust, glass fibers and other hazardous materials that have led to a number of people developing a variety of illnesses, including asthma, lung disease, heart conditions, cancer, sleep disorders, laryngitis, pharyngitis, upper digestive injuries, chronic rhinosinusitis, and even death.... ."
http://www.mesotheliomanews.com/2010/05/04/federal-judge-rejects-wtc-settlement/ - www.mesotheliomanews.com/2010/05/04 (story continued here)




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Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 2:58pm
Thank you, Mixey.
 
Geno... GREAT post.  I love it. Clap
 
I began looking at articles and videos several years ago that focused on the REALITY that MANY things about the "facts" of 911 simply didn't add up.  I began to smell a rat back then.
 
It's true... MANY facts about what happened that day don't add up.  Especially the alleged plane crash at the Pentagon. 
 
Funny how there were NO pieces of any jet wreckage recovered at that site... no video of any plane crashing into the Pentagon... how the damage done was totally inconsistent with the damage a plane crash would have created.
 
Might we find out one day that 911 actually was the biggest DOMESTIC terrorist act ever?  And that it may have been concealed by what would certainly be the biggest cover-up plot (and crime) ever in American history?
 
It's possible.
 
It takes courage to ignore one's beliefs; to ignore what you want to believe, and to instead consider the facts as they're presented. Logically, and dispassionately. 
 
It may be especially difficult to discover the truth if there are very powerful forces that may not want the truth to be discovered ... and are using all their resources to keep the truth from being discovered.
 
 
 


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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 3:07pm
         Great articles, Geno !
    I will never buy the government explination on
 building seven. We are expected to believe this building
 fell in about six seconds because of a fire? The first
 high rize building in the history of the world which
 collaspes into it's own footprint from a fire...Wacko
     I can't buy THAT story..now or ever.
   Silverstien's call to officials to "Pull it" also stinks
 to high heaven...along with his jive explination after
 the building went down.
     Some of the official stories smack of Oswald's lucky
 shot.
 
 toad


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Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 3:47pm
UPDATE 5/12/2010...
A retraction and explaination of this post has been posted further down in this thread.
Mixey
S. P. A. T.
~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~
 
MickeyMac... Dream... and Winetender...
 
You are officially in The Woof House for your lack of civility towards Lindsay.
http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PID=36426#36426 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PID=36426#36426
 
This thread is about 911.  It's not about your personal intollerance.
 
If you'd like to chew and name-call people in the Woof House, go for it.  I urge Lindz and everybody else to hit the minus button on any posts they don't wish to view in this thread.
 
From this point on... any continuing name-calling posts or references to them on this thread will be moved to The Woof House, with a referenced "moved to" notation here.
 
Thank you Geno, Jeff & Toad for posting REAL content here.
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.


Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 6:56pm
This post was moved and now has been restored back into this thread 5/12/2010.
Mixey
S. P. A. T.
~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~
 
 
Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

Originally posted by MickeyMac MickeyMac wrote:

I say screw it.

 

 

I made no secret about my dislike for Lindsay, and I cannot post on the same forum as him.

 

 

As they say in the west, this town isnt big enough for the both of us, and i know Mixey wont throw Lindsay off this forum (even though in my opinion thats what she should do because his behaviour here is inexcusable).   If yall want to argue with that piece of shit, be my guest.  I dont need the noise.

 

 

Dream, Toad, Jeff, and everyone else here I like if you want to get in touch with me you can find me on facebook.

 

 

In the words of Hank Snow and Ray Charles  "I'm movin' on".




I have changed my mind.............You were always the cry baby right from the start...........and you are still seeking support from others......calling out Mixey is not fair by any means. I still don`t know what it was that set you off on this get Lindsay thing all that time ago. ..............I absolutely swear on my dear mothers life . Now should that not be enough ??????????????????? I don`t care what you think of me but for f--k sake accept it was a misunderstanding. My life you`d never last a second in the Brit work place ..........

or fuck off .........

    
 
 
 
Changed my mind you British piece of shit
 
 
I am not going anywhere, you are stuck my me you dog.
 
 
I'll leave when I decide to leave.
 
 
I am just going to ignore you because you deserve to be ignored.   Frankly you deserve a lot worse.




 No I don`t !........


Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 9:35pm
UPDATE 5/12/2010...
The post has been restored back to this thread as seen above.
Mixey
S. P. A. T.
~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~
 
We just moved Lindsay's post to The Woof House.
 
http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PN=3 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PN=3
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 7:31am
        A video examining building 7 ...
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4
 
  Alphabet agencies, banks, big insurance money,
 Enron papers... Plenty of motive to see this building
 go down and shift blame elsewhere.
 
 toad


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Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 11:50am

There STILL remain too many incredible inconsistencies between the "official" account of the Pentagon strike on 911 and the evidence that has survived censureship. 

Your government has refused to release the video surveillance footage that would prove once and for all (or disprove) that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon that day.  Why?
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY-gmzxnaVs&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY-gmzxnaVs&feature=related
a video that reviews these glaring inconsistencies
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=related
a video about damage assessment reality - check THIS out!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related
where's the plane?
 
  


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Posted By: MickeyMac
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by S. P. A. T. S. P. A. T. wrote:

MickeyMac... Dream... and Winetender...

You are officially in The Woof House for your lack of civility towards Lindsay.
http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PID=36426#36426 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556&PID=36426#36426
 
This thread is about 911.  It's not about your personal intollerance.
 
If you'd like to chew and name-call people in the Woof House, go for it.  I urge Lindz and everybody else to hit the minus button on any posts they don't wish to view in this thread.
 
From this point on... any continuing name-calling posts or references to them on this thread will be moved to The Woof House, with a referenced "moved to" notation here.
 
Thank you Geno, Jeff & Toad for posting REAL content here.
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Whatever!
 


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Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 2:01pm

"Loose Change" is the most thoroughly researched and detailed film I've ever found about the events of 911.  To say the very least ... it will disturb you down to the soles of your shoes.

Watch this entire video.  Watch it with an open mind.  Pay close attention to all the facts offered up, and points made.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
 
 


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by Jeff Jeff wrote:

Watch this entire video.  I dare you to watch the entire thing with an open mind.



Pay close attention to all the facts offered up, and points made.



 

If you still believe official reports of 911 after watching this video, then we should talk about this bridge I'm selling... you might be interested in buying it!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

 

 




So who do we trust...........?






Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 3:03pm
Who to trust - as always, linz - is up to the individual. Do YOU trust the government? 
 
(I edited my original post to include some more info on the video.)
 
Anyway - if you haven't already, I encourage everybody to watch the entire piece when you have time.  it is the full length film, an hour and 20 minutes.  At the very least you'll walk away with some disturbing questions in your mind.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
 
 
At the worst, you'll realize there are very dangerous and powerful people who have colluded with many of our elected politicians and officials to commit the biggest crime AND the biggest cover-up in history.  And lied to the entire world about it.


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 6:38pm
Looking forward to it.........But will such knowledge help us in anyway but make us angry men.


Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 6:56pm
          I know that Mixey is completely upset as to
 why firefighters and others searching the "Pile" of
 building remains and potential bodies were not issued
 even the most simple of face masks to protect them
 from inhaling toxic material.
       I have owned commercial sand blasters, and they
 have air filtering systems built into them that protect
 the machine operator. Even with the potent air filters,
 they do not reccomend using silica sand for a blast media in the machines.
      The concrete dust seen blanketing most of the
 city close to the event was composed of silica sand
 and dust from the smashed concrete.
    When you inhale silica dust, it starts shredding the
 interior of your lungs like inhaling glass shards, and
 also accumulates deposits of concrete like material
 that cannot be coughed up or expelled totally.
      Any engineer or construction worker knows the
 risks of not wearing proper masks in that kind of
 environment. The City and Port authority engineers
 were more than aware of these risks, and did nothing
 to povide the "Pile" workers with even the minimum
 of cheap masks.  CRIMINAL
      Those jive paper masks that you see in hospitals
 would not be effective for even a FEW MINUTES near
 that site. Masks having screw-in round filters,[ like
 you see being worn in auto body shops] work pretty
 well up to a point, but the filter cartriges must be
 changed quite often in dusty situations. The only
 real effective masks should have been the type that
 require an out-side fresh air supply, [like you would
 see when a spray painter is using them painting a
 very large vehicle, over large sufaces, in an enclosed
 area.
      The huge law suits now hitting the fan are a direct
 result of the City and Port Authority dropping the ball
 on protecting the workers and firemen.
    Looks like the lawyers will rip off the lion's share
 of the settlement money, and the victims will continue
 to suffer...making the disaster of 9/11 all the worse,
 9 years after the fact.
 
 toad
 


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Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 2:59am
Linz... a very good question! 
 
How does "knowing the truth" make any difference?  Why is it worth caring?
 
Especially when we ordinary folk haven't the money or resources
to rise up and bring down the kind of people and organizations
that would execute such a horrendous plan?
 
I think the necessary answer is this: 
It's not enough to bury your head in the sand. Or to blindly follow leaders. 
History is RICH with examples of what happens when the masses lie down
to tyranny and allow themselves to be steamrolled by greedy, malajusted
humans who don't care for their fellow man.
 
We didn't stop Hitler before it was too late.  Look what happened.
 
After 911 our news organizations rolled over and played dead - as did congress -
after The Bush administration circled it's wagons in the most brilliantly devised
power grab EVER in American history.  And because the news organizations were
frightened and cowed during this time - as were many politicians -
the Bush Administration was able to get away with a laundry list
of the most aggregious offenses to our freedoms and liberty
that have been fomented in a long time.  The key figures in these
crimes will most likely never be brought to justice.
 
So ... in this case ... did burying our heads in the sand and walking away
from the truth help us?  Is the world better off now than it was in 2001?
Has the world become safer?  Are more people wealthier?  Happier?
 
It may be troublesome, inconvenient, even dangerous at times to stare
down the truth and stand up to those who do bad things... to call out
those whose actions hurt us all.  Even when they cloak their actions
in the name God, or America, or The Queen.
 
I'm getting too old to keep quiet anymore.  I have two kids who will outlive me.
I am ashamed about the world they're inheriting, and fearful about the odds that
they'll be able to lead safe, happy, and prosperous lives.
 
All my life I've seen that most leaders are corrupted by power and money.
And I've learned that we CANNOT take our eyes off them for one second.
That we CANNOT trust what they are telling us.
Because history has proven again and again
that they lie and conceal bad truths FAR more
often than they do righteous deeds and
protect us as they have sworn to do.
 
And IF we all payed attention...
then maybe we WOULDN'T get fooled again.
 
Maybe it WOULD matter that we had cared in the first place.
Whether it made us angry or not.
 
 
  


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 6:48am

You guys are very bright..........It takes me too long to form my replies and I have to say that some of the posts on here are awesome...........even the bad ones.lol. It sounds like Jeff is saying to me that we need to be proactive...and not be afraid. I have come to the conclusion that we are being ruled and that we do not live in a free country. I believe we are being manipulated on a daily basis.........too much information. I say I am a socialist but I realize only up to a point. I want Walmarts closed and divided up and a whole street of shops with relaxed and happier people selling and becoming experts at what they know. I do not dismiss the idea of exchanging money nor would I take a mans powerboat away from him........Reward is important.
I just want things spread out better.........I want the butter spread to the edges of the slice of bread and not heaped in the center.

My country was once ruled by a single family that when extended developed a network to protect itself throughout the continent.......it found other powerful families from other nations and found a way to keep order and most importantly the money and wealth of nations in the hands of the network. crazily from time to time one part of the network would deem that they had the right to change the rules and enforce their will upon the others and one such indeed set out upon an Armada.......skill,stupidity and luck ended that fracas.....hence one family from a tiny country threatened to take the world from us all...........When the commoner took power not much changed either. America stood up and took the reigns of her own progression but did exactly what was done in the past........attempted to rule the world but this time through manipulation of finance ( murdering or assisting in the murder of resistance) .......So the Attack on the Financial center of New York was inevitable. Like the Americans skirmished against the world power the terrorists now pick targets.

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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 9:19am
         Here is the handwriting on the wall.
  it's all you need to know to understand how you are
 being ripped off.
 
  http://www.infowars.com/american-taxpayers-looted-to-bail-out-the-euro/ - http://www.infowars.com/american-taxpayers-looted-to-bail-out-the-euro/
 
 Money from nothing and a bailout for a fee.
 
 toad


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Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 10:03am
Linz,
 
Judging by your post I think you and I share many of the same viewpoints.
 
I DO feel we have to be proactive as citizens to hold our government and
our politicians in check.  All you have to do is look around to see what
happens when we get too engrossed in our own lives and stop
paying attention... the greedy and powerful tread boldly all over us.
 
And I agree that we seem doomed to allow history to repeat itself again
and again.  I don't know which it is ... whether it's that we aren't capable
as homosapiens of remembering the most painful and costly lessons we're taught,
or that we're simply lazy and don't care.  Maybe a little of both.
 
Which is why I feel it's crucial to our survival as a nation, as a civilization
that we try to pay attention, and ask hard questions of our leaders. 
 
Citizens should take the same approach with our politicians that our
military and diplomatic leaders take with certain troublesome nations: "Trust ... but verify."
 
Like yourself I'd like to see the many smaller vendors and shops come back. 
Unfortunately, those days are gone.  I'm not all that enamored with Walmart either.
Walmart's proliferation has come at a great cost to many former vendors,
dealers, and shopowners.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: M I X E Y
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 1:50pm
Toad...
You're right about the cartridge masks... but not vapor cartridges... They should have been wearing HEPA filter masks... and really... airline respirators for that level would have been right, but unfortunately not practical.  They would have had to change those masks every hour.
 
The residents and businesses should have been shut down as well.  These people should have been relocated for their safety.
 
The EPA was going to have a press conference about all of this at the time.  I remember it was scheduled for 5pm.  Someone canceled it.  Shortly thereafter, the head of the EPA resigned. 
 
Victims from 911 are still dying.
 
Mixey


Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 7:36am
Retraction... 
In thinking it over... I'm wrong for saying that we will move any more name-calling posts in the 911 thread into The Woof House. 
 
Feeling that that was necessary, and saying that I'll do that, actually goes against my original position that if we don't appreciate something in a post, we can and should just hit the minus button and ignore it. 
 
Dream,
You made a good point in the thread in The Shroom Room, that being that The Woof House can't be seen from the outside... it does feel like being deleted.  
http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741
 
I wasn't going to wipe away anyone's posts from Soulful Planet, but they would have been made unavailable to the non-membership viewing public. The Woof House, which is in The Shroom Room, can't be seen unless you're a member of Soulful Planet.
 
Nora, 
I thought that everyone here understood what The Woof House was about.  It's more of a good natured place than not.
http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556
 
Lindsay's post was the only one moved.  It's been put back into this thread.
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.


Posted By: Jeff
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 7:45am

Mixey,

It's nice to see the "mission statement" of Soulful Planet (or the intent thereof) being upheld. 
 
It's encouraging to see that you consider these issues carefully and seriously.
 
That is what makes me want to contribute to this forum.
 
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Posted By: s. p. a. t.
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 7:57am
Thank you Jeff.
 
Yes... I do take this place and everyone in it seriously.
 
Mixey
S. P. A. T.
 
 


Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 1:30pm

THANK YOU MIXEY!!!Clap   Thank you for considering my position and taking action.  Thank you for posting a retraction.  It takes a big person to do that and I appreciate you and Soulful Planet.  You're O.K. with me, Kid.Thumbs%20Up  You've proven you take all of us seriously and I applaud you for it.Clap 

dream

 


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by S. P. A. T. S. P. A. T. wrote:

Retraction... 

In thinking it over... I'm wrong for saying that we will move any more name-calling posts in the 911 thread into The Woof House. 

 

Feeling that that was necessary, and saying that I'll do that, actually goes against my original position that if we don't appreciate something in a post, we can and should just hit the minus button and ignore it. 

 

Dream,

You made a good point in the thread in The Shroom Room, that being that The Woof House can't be seen from the outside... it does feel like being deleted.  

http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741

 

I wasn't going to wipe away anyone's posts from Soulful Planet, but they would have been made unavailable to the non-membership viewing public. The Woof House, which is in The Shroom Room, can't be seen unless you're a member of Soulful Planet.

 

Nora, 

I thought that everyone here understood what The Woof House was about.  It's more of a good natured place than not.

http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556 - http://www.soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=556

 

Lindsay's post was the only one moved.  It's been put back into this thread.

 

Mixey

S. P. A. T.




Sounds good to me because we would not want anyone worrying that they may have made themselves look bad and that they had no defence and be denied the ability to make references here, there and everywhere... because it was removed out of sight but not out of tortured memory. Personally I hope this calms down things and that the ignore button is used in future. No one owns a thread its made public: you made it public by posting and what is posted is there for eternity and those on the sidelines that enjoy a good difference of opinion,squabble....screeching row can become supporters of or not whomever you please with free popcorn.

How Soulful is that being.

Thank You Mixey........

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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 6:06pm
Lamb post? where did it go?

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Posted By: toad
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 7:21pm
    Posted long enough to root out the lamb nibbler?
  Ha Ha !


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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 7:26am
I lived in Wales for 10 yrs I can find sheep in my sleep even the ones with a smiling welsh man on the other end.........

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Posted By: lindsay
Date Posted: May 16 2010 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by lindsay lindsay wrote:

I lived in Wales for 10 yrs I can find sheep in my sleep even the ones with a smiling welsh man on the other end.........


 I like the Welsh even the ones that say they hate the English....and support our football teams lol. Half of my family live in North Wales.......I miss the countryside.




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Posted By: M I X E Y
Date Posted: Sep 11 2010 at 8:34am
I watched a program last night regarding conspiracy theories, true or false about 911.

I'm annoyed with people who speak about things they don't know for sure.

What I know, is that people died in those towers and on the ground and in those planes.

I feel sad for their families; and for all of the workers who have died and who are still suffering.

Blessings to all of them.
With much love,
Mixey


Posted By: dream207
Date Posted: Sep 11 2010 at 8:40am
Originally posted by M I X E Y M I X E Y wrote:

I watched a program last night regarding conspiracy theories, true or false about 911.

I'm annoyed with people who speak about things they don't know for sure.

What I know, is that people died in those towers and on the ground and in those planes.

I feel sad for their families; and for all of the workers who have died and who are still suffering.

Blessings to all of them.
With much love,
Mixey
 
 
My thoughts and feelings exactly, Mixey!!  Well said. ClapClapClapClapClap
 
On this day my head is filled with thoughts of those who died and their families who are left behind.   The aftermath has changed us forever.
 
dream


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Posted By: M I X E Y
Date Posted: Sep 11 2010 at 9:54am
It certainly has Dream.

I listened to a woman, who lost her brother.
I was struck by how much pain it caused her, when people were being hostile to our government, in response to 911, without knowing facts.

I understand her pain, because regardless of whether the theories are right or wrong, she and her family had been consoled by members of the Bush administration at the time. THAT was her truth.

I think that right or wrong, people should respect the victim's truths on a day like today.

Looking into the truth of what really happened on 911 and who is to blame is important; but not today, in my opinion.

Mixey




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