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I agree with you Toad regarding opinion related reporting. I too edit that stuff out in my head, while I'm watching what journalists have to offer. I look at the research and edit out the spin.

What I like about Maddow, is that there's enough attention to the research end of it, for me to do that. I can come to my own conclusions from her show.

I know you're into this feminine masculine business regarding her. I don't care if she's got a snap on rocket launcher in her pants and thinks we should blow up the world. I appreciate her reporting a view of the movement here that no other show is doing.

We can agree to disagree on the outcome of this movement Toad. I feel it's the only way we're going to affect a change in this country. Yes... there will be blood... and the movement will grow much larger. People don't need "a leader" to run this thing. We're all standing up for our rights. All is one. The focus is just that... the rights of ALL AMERICANS. Our lives have been hijacked by greed. Speak out in mass. I agree with that.

Geno... you're better at it than Rachel.      THANK YOU!

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Related to thoughts that I just posted over in the SP/Town Hall - "Debt Ceiling Debate thread"...


As our 'government' continues to
fail
the people of America...

Please note the following:

Beginning to show
in Amreica,
are more and more signs
of ...



'Do You Know Where Your Pitchfork Is?'


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- www.washingtonpost.com - Occupy K Street in DC -


(((Note: We get the point, but, illegally breaking into a property is just as wrong as illegally taking someone's property away...
two wrongs do not make a right.)))

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So,
as our disfunctional 'government'
continues to
fail the people of America...
pushing them to do that
which they would not normally do...

Ummm... would anyone care to ponder what Spring 2012 might look like?


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                  Mixey,
       Regarding Maddow, I have a personal opinion
 about gays that differ from most others on THAT subject, however her stand on some issues can be
 100% correct on some, and 100% wrong on others.
    Glen Beck shares this same "problem."
   Both Maddow & Beck have a strong delivery to make
 their case on a subject. They both have staffs that dig
 into the 'behind the scenes' dirty dealings connected
 to these political issues. They effectively use their
 show's pulpit,[soap box] to bring home their message.
[or spin].  In one sence they educate us a lot about the
 'hidden from view' political crap that we otherwise
 would never-ever know about.
     Many of the viewers are left with the feeling that
 Beck or Maddow know the whole story and can be
 trusted to speak the truth. A majority of their viewers
 can't seperate truth from spin.
     Beck and Maddow don't give you a option,or present
 both sides equally. They sell you their side. Thats
 their job...right or wrong.
      Because they both take this "one side rules"
 approach, they both take heat...as they should.
        The people are pushed to take sides.
 Us/versus/them....Dem/versus/Rep...Yadda Yadda Yadda.  They make this shit political,even when it's not.
        It's right /versus/ wrong.  Always has been.
 
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Well, you have to admit Toad, it's been a damned effective strategy...
... this sleight of hand the powers-that-be employ.
 
Every moment they (and their owned broadcast companies) frame a news story,
debate, or headline as a "Republicans vs. Democrats" thing, they
re-direct voter anger and distrust from being focused on them,
back onto other voters.
 
(As if other voters wrote these insane laws, started these wars, and
bailed out all the banks...)
 
But this tactic works. It plays on voters' fears... it provides voters with
an easy target - their neighbors. And we begin to distrust and disdain
our fellow Americans... making the other guy the enemy!..
 
... when we should really be remembering that our politicians made this mess.
And we should be holding THEM accountable.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I don't think you can honestly make a valid point by saying Rachel Maddow is the political flip side of Glen Beck, Toad.

Glen Beck doesn't care if he's stating facts or not.

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       They both put a political bias on their "facts."
  And they both have devoted fans who hold them in
 high regard. The "Facts" are something to learn from,
 but the bias turns me clean off from both of them.
         If I ever could find a news/show/pundant
 that could present the facts and then let you decide
 the truth from the crap I might think there was hope
 for TV news. Don't look like I will see that anytime
 soon..if ever.
 
     The main problem I have with Maddow,Beck, and
 the others is this: They give you facts and information
 you can use, but they fail to give you ALL the facts,
 and withold some of the information THEY choose to
 withold. It's kinda like the Zip,Ban,Delete policy
 that you abhor so much. If their staffs need a little help
 finding new facts to check out, have them join up
 here and start reading some of our threads in the
 Planet town hall. I would be thrilled to see them
 dispute some of my charges and rants. Fun stuff !Big%20smile
 
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Not true About Maddow, Toad.

She's the least zip ban delete journalist out there.

She's the one who will have all sides and viewpoints showcased and invited onto her show. She lets people talk openly, even if they don't agree with her.

Yes... she has her own opinions. It's a style of reporting I can do without; but in the times we live in, the opinionless reporter doesn't seem to exist. Of all of them however, she reports more sides than anyone else... and she's the one who is most agreement with you, by the way.

I think you're having more problem with her, because she's a lesbian, than anything else. You're so insightful and spot on in your assessment of other people. With her, you seem to have a blind spot. She's not even in the same universe as Glen Beck in terms of being fair and balanced. She shows sides of issues that nobody out there is doing. Glen Beck is a sensationalistic repeater, with fans who are happy to repeat the stupidity. Rachel has fans too, which obviously are helping her show stay on the air; but the focus of her show, is to really report on what's going on in the world... not just gain followers

Try and be a little more open minded about her.

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          The fact that Maddow is a lesbian has no
 bearing on my opinion of her politics... maybe just
 one tiny little segment. [I'll explain,later]
    
      The dirty little zip,ban,delete secret that NONE of
 these pundants,including Maddow won't get near....
 with a ten foot pole is right in your face.
    The place has a "store front" home,right in downtown
 Manhattan NYC... Like a Mafia social club..all lit up..
 with lights,an address plaque, and probably a doorman.
   The place has a "sister" location in Downtown Washington D.C. too.
     Now maybe Maddow and all the other media talking
 heads could take a little time to explain to me, and
 all other Americans why their investigative staffs and
  any other reliable "sources" totally hide this social
 club AND NEVER DISCUSS IT.
        If this social club was housing members that
 nobody ever heard of, Maddow and the others might have a reason to ignore it. NOT THE CASE with this
 social club.
                  Maddow's news network MSNBC continues
 to interview the President of this social club when they
 feel the need to hear his input on very serious news
matters.
 
         I would think that all the media pundants,
 including Maddow would be hanging out if front of
 this location AT ALL TIMES when you concider who
 the membership is made up from. But no. They
 stay away from the place.
         The members of this social club MAKE the news.
   Their members are why there is a Occupy Wall Street
 movement. Their members are why there is a Tea Party.
  Their members occupy a large segment of our Congress. Their members occupy the boardrooms of
 America's largest corperations. They should be the
 main topic,every day, of every news outlet in the
 country. But no. The media hides them..even though
 they are in plain sight.
      The ONLY story that Maddow and all the other
 media pundants like Beck,Ed,O'Reilly,Matthews,Rush,
 etc.etc. is right at the door of this Mafia style social
 club...and the door is wide open for them.
      
        The "club" is The Council on Foreign Relations.
 
      This "joint" is the best kept secret in the histroy
 of print and TV media next to the Federal Reserve.
      If Americans want to fully understand what is
 wrong with things in our nation, they could insist that
 media "investigators" walk in the front door of these
 two social clubs [NYC & D.C.] and start asking questions.
                I don't think I have a Maddow/lesbian blind
 spot. I think Maddow has a CFR/Mafia social club blind spot. Maddow is not alone. All the media pundants
 share this "blind spot." When they take the blinders
 off, we might get some fucking REAL news.
 
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I'm listening Toad.

I need some links to the CFR so I can read some more.

Show me the media connection.

Thanks,

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          Membership list [2006]  There may be a few
 names you can relate to.
 
 
 
 Members in the Clinton Administration:
 
 
   Worth reading:
 
 In the run-up to the 2008 election, I listed CFR members that were part of Obama's proposed
 administration... including his Wife Michelle. He
has not admitted being a member,nor has the
 First Lady. When Obama was elected he had
 107 CFR members in his initial administration.
 
     I don't want or need to be biased about
 Democratic members only, as Bush 43's
 administration was totally comprized of CFR members
 as was his Dad's administration.
 
    Here we have a video showing Obama seeming
 to be unsure if he is a CFR member, when at the time,
 his wife was a chairperson on the Council. Her name
 has been removed from their roster for obvious reasons
 since she has become the First Lady.
 
 
    Is Obama CFR ?  Newt Gingrich has exploded in
 the polls and is now one of the "top tier" canidates
 according to the CFR media mouths. It's no wonder
 as he is CFR all the way.
   Do the CFR control the election process or hand
 pick our canidates through the media?
 
    Who exactly is running Obama's foreign policy
 actions?
 
   Any CFR people hanging around from Bush 43's
 administration?
 
    You would think the media folks would spend a
 little time investigating the little CFR think tank.
  Maybe the CFR hasn't done enough shitty deeds
 to occupy any of the media's attention. I dunno.
 
 
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          If all of this CFR information bums you out,
  you can always get down with the Detroit Kids....Big%20smile
 
 
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Also from the Department of W T F


In some related, really screwed up stuff relating directly
to our elite "elected officials"...

I watched this one the other night,
keeping an open mind as to what
might be really going on here.

Wow!

Can you say WTF... in a major way???



... Bohemian Grove's "dull care"???
(a symbolic, human child sacrifice?)

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An opposing, critical view of this flick,
(which actually sheds even more info about all of this elite twisted-ness), is here, which says:

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lawsofsilence.blogspot.com/2011/03/power-corruption-and-lies - "dull care"???

"...This is not some conspiracy theorist's wild imaginings. Guests have included the likes of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Kissinger, George Shultz, Helmut Kohl, Colin Powell. The list goes on. Not only such well-known figures but a long list of power players in industries from petrochemical and media to defense. Celebrities are involved. Harry Shearer and Steve Miller, of all people, are members. So are Mickey Hart and Bob Weir, formerly of the Grateful Dead."

"But what do they do? Given the highly secretive nature of the proceedings, a lot of what goes down is fairly well-known. (Tellingly, the Patron Saint of the Club is John of Nepomuk, who was martyred by the King of Bohemia for refusing to divulge secrets the Queen revealed to him at confessional; one of his attributes is an angel holding its finger over its lips in the universal gesture of silence and at least one of the BG camps is adorned with this very image). It would appear that revelry and heavy drinking are involved, male bonding, pissing in the woods, etc. ... "


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...huh?











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OK guys... These links will keep me busy for awhile. Be back to you soon. Right now, I'm "having fun" with a U Haul.

Thanks for the break later on tonight.

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*LoL* Yup... "Links ® Us"


And...
right
from the

"Department of Everything is Just Fine...
Move Along Now...
Nothing To See Over Here!"


we get this in the "news"...

(((Poster now circulating the... "Webazoidz"(a new word - ©®GLMix *lol*) )))


and right from the source...



http://www.time.com/time/magazine (click here)


So like, what's the political "news" agenda
going on here in the US with Time Mag?

It's almost comical.

Cover story ...

Revolution Is Everywhere,
oh, except in the US,
where
"aniexity is good for you".

More Kool Aid, Anyone?




Mac Miller- Kool Aid and Frozen Pizza




Happy "Webazioding the Webaziodz"(©®imprimatur GLMix *LoL*)


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Also...

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— What America’s Hazare movement has accomplished —
The Dollar Note | by Eric Schurenberg www.livemint.com (full article click here)

"...The movement’s “We are the 99%” chant is now at least as well known as any presidential candidate’s campaign slogans.
What, exactly, are the occupiers protesting against? Frankly, it can be hard to tell. The Adbusters website describes OWS as a “leaderless people-powered movement” that “vows to end the monied corruption of our democracy” (occupiers take “leaderless” so literally that Occupy Denver members elected a border collie as their leader). When asked by poll-takers, occupiers volunteer demands ranging from tighter bank regulations and higher taxes on the wealthy to a national healthcare, forgiveness for student loans and an end to capitalism. A fifth said they didn’t know what they wanted.

The emotion that OWS has tapped, however, is clear. Over 2,000 handwritten posts scanned onto a blog called, We Are the 99 Percent, captures a sense of helplessness and injustice among many Americans, fuelled by an unemployment rate that refuses to budge below 9%. Among the posts:

“I have a bachelor’s degree in communication (writes a 26-year-old college graduate) but I have not found a professional job in the four years since I graduated. I owe at least $20,000 in student loans.”

“Husband is a master carpenter who has had no work for three years. I need new glasses and my teeth are breaking off. My husband hurts all the time.”

“I pay 30% in taxes so that too-big-to-fail banks can be rescued from their own self-inflicted failure, while I… have to choose between paying for health insurance and my mortgage.”

Thanks in part to that blog, OWS’ public image finally began to coalesce around a single idea: Far too much of the national income is going to the richest 1% of Americans and too little to the remaining 99%. Indeed this is more than just a slogan: According to a government study published just as the OWS movement was gaining traction, Americans in the top 1% of household incomes saw their incomes grow seven times as fast as the bottom 80% since 1979. Over the same period, the top 1% more than doubled their share of national income to 17%.

In other words, the movement at last had a cause that mainstream Americans could support. President Barack Obama and Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke have both expressed sympathy and Paul Krugman, the Nobel laureate who has become the Left’s most prominent economist, took the income inequality data even further in a late November column called, “We are the 99.9%.”

“We are the 99% is a great slogan. If anything, however, (it) aims too low. A large fraction of the top 1% gains have actually gone to an even smaller group, the top 0.1%—the richest one-thousandth of the population… (according to an earlier study that ended in 2005), between 1979 and 2005 the inflation-adjusted, after-tax income of Americans in the middle of the income distribution rose 21%.
The equivalent number for the richest 0.1% rose 400%. ... ... "


(Full Story continues here)



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Question:
With respect to a leveled playing field...
What part of a "400% rise in income for the very richest",
while many of the rest of Americas' People
struggle and drown,
do our politicians not understand?

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Is more of this needed?
Is this what politicians will respond to?

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Occupy the Capitol: The Next Stage in the Occupy Movement
(Full Seattle Pi Story With This Pic, Click Here)





And for the Latest Updates right from...

http://occupywallst.org/ (click here)





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All voices in the wind, I'm afraid.
 
 
"Meet the new boss ... same as the old boss!"
                                                 - PeteTownshend
 
 
 
 
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Very interesting.
A few thoughts and ideas
actually worth thinking about...

— Direct Democracy —
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When
The American People
Are ON Congress' Doorstep,
Will Many in Congress
Actually
Start To Listen...


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http://ministryoftruth.dailykos.com/


"Jesse LaGreca,
Occupy Wall Street Protester, an activist,
and a freelance journalist
who goes by the name Ministry of Truth,
look at where the 99% movement stands."
- Great interview with Jesse LaGreca - Ministry of Truth,
Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST
on



http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/ (Guest Listing)


(Excellent Jesse LaGreca Interview - Watch Video Here)

Why are most of our "elected official representatives" not voicing what this man is so clearly saying in the above video?


and...

(Jesse LaGreca Thanksgiving Interview - Watch Here)

(also see Jesse LaGreca at OWS (Fox Unreleased Video) from page 1 of this thread (click here)

and...

More on peaceful protests and pepper spray, here:
Pepper Spray ... Bill O' says - 'it's just a food product, right?'



And ya wanna know how the "Hedge Fund Industry"
has been fleecing America
from someone who works at one?
See next post... Amazing & sad info!


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Eye opening info, from someone who works there!

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"The finance industry is a complete scam,
designed to funnel money from the 99% investing public
into the hands of the top .1%.
Sure, some of you will make good money, but stastically, the rest of us will lose, and who is feeding off us?
Hedge funds, and the .1%.
You have better odds going to a casino and playing slots,
the worst-paying game in the house,
but still better than the stock market. ... ... "


Keep reading!

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continued... read full article (click here)


Wow!
and be sure to read the comments!

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AS I posted this in the ¢¢ Jobs $$ Thread...

Wow!

Look what the greedy banksters and corrupt politicians
have done to what's left of our country.



- http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1288182424001_2099978,00.html -


As a country, we capable of far better than this!
As we're left only to the job of struggling to survive paycheck to paycheck if we're really lucky, watching our America... 'going down the drain'.

Sad.



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