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Oh, and speaking of Banks

Happy Bank Transfer Day!

"...Otherwise known as - you're charging me 22% credit card interest when I have a FICO score above 750 and no missed payments? Seriously?
Today has been declared bank transfer day. A nationwide consumer call to action to pull money from Too Big To Fail, derivative ridden, foreclosure fraud laden, fee crazed, bail out happy, offshore outsourcing our jobs, banks."

"Credit Unions are rejoicing and celebrating the event. From a Credit Union National Association, press release:

At least 650,000 consumers across the nation have joined credit unions in the past four weeks
This represents $4.5 billion in deposit transfers to credit unions. The online banks and smaller banks probably have similar amounts in transfers.... ... "


Happy Bank Transfer Day - (full story here)


Very interesting... pondering... "Can You Hear Me Now?"



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– It's Not That Complicated -- Thank You, Occupy Wall Street -

Posted: 11/5/11 06:24 PM ET
by Clarence B. Jones
www.huffingtonpost.com/clarence-b-jones -


"...Dee Ward Hock,
the founder of Visa, years ago,
commented,
"We are at the very point in time when a 400 year old age is dying and another is struggling to be born -- a shifting of culture, science, society, and institutions enormously greater than the world has ever experienced."

"Ahead, the possibility of the regeneration of the individuality, liberty, community,
and ethics
such as the world has never known"... "


"The OWS movement is being compared to the Civil Rights movement, the "answer to the Tea Party", etc. The Media and political pundits have tried to characterize those ... ... ..."


...the article continues:


"...Our politicians are little more than money launderers in the trafficking of power and policy -- fewer than six degrees of separation from the spirit and tactics of Tony Soprano."

"Why New York's Zuccotti Park is filled with people is no mystery. They are occupying Wall Street because Wall Street has occupied the country... "

"Did you see the sign a woman was carrying at a fraternal march in Iowa the other day? It read:"

"I can't afford to buy a politician
so I bought this sign."




..... this article, worth reading, continues here:


- www.huffingtonpost.com/clarence-b-jones/occupy-wall-street-civil-rights - (click for full article)



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          The way I look at OWS, it will fail if the rule
 of Constitutional law is not enforced to the letter.
    The courts and Judiciary in America have been corrupt for decades and act as though they are above the law of
 the land. They don't bother with Congress, and make up
 laws as they see fit at the time.
       I'm waiting to see or hear how they intend to
fix the Court problems and deal with corrupt Judges.
       This is the reason you don't see criminal bankers
 and politicians going to prison where they belong.
     They throw the most overt criminal[Maydoff] in
 prison,as a sacrifice and let the others off the hook.
  This is corruption at it's worse.
 
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Yes Toad, exactly.

I wanted to post this reference quote here also...
I think it's relative to what is going on everywhere... there is history, that all of us as Musicians, Music Creators, Artists...
ever dealing with a Major Label Record Company,
will easily relate to...


from the SoulfulPlanet - Music Business Thread from Ray Monette's post:



In light of what is going on right now as we head to 2012...
This is so worth re-reading from Ray's first post at the top of the Music Business Thread!!!


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from Simon Napier-Bell Sunday January 20, 2008 Observer Music Monthly The life and crimes of the music biz

"...Artists had to pay their own recording costs yet companies ended up owning the records. 'The bank still owns the house after the mortgage is paid,' is how Senator Orrin Hatch described it. Could we imagine film stars having to pay the costs of the movies they starred in and then giving the rights to the company that distributed it?

Artists also had to pay a packaging deduction of around 15 per cent. This, despite the fact that packaging rarely cost more than 5 per cent. The remaining 10 per cent was enough to pay the record company's entire cost of manufacturing the record. All in all, it meant an artist who sold 200,000 copies of a first album would still owe the record company although the record company had made a profit of a million.

But the worst thing about being signed to a major was that you lost the freedom to run your life. And though top artists could sometimes re-negotiate an unfair contract, it soon became clear that in the music business you didn't get out of an unfair record contract to get into a fair one; you get out of an unfair contract to get into another unfair one, but with slightly better terms. ... ..."



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... does this sound a bit familiar as to what is happening right now with ... everything?

Amazing greed!
Occupy Freakin' Everything!



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The real deal is right here... right from the CBO,
clearly showning exactly what is going on
with the Distribution of Wealth
and Household Income in America
as a result of current tax laws.



I think even the CBO was surprised to see these results that
back up the cries of the Occupy Wall Street Movement.



http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/124xx/doc12485/10-25-HouseholdIncome.pdf

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(Full CBO GOV Report Document Oct 2011 pdf - (Click Here)



Wow!

The top 1% are really having a field day.
The top 19% are having a nice day.
The remaining 80% are hanging on by their fingernails
to the rim of the porcelain toilet bowl as the water spirals and swirls.

Congress needs to fix this... yesterday!

~Geno


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And so how does one part of the
Major Label "Stolen Samples Music" Industry
help The Wall street Movement?

Not very well.

"...A company spokesperson tells Business Insider that there are no plans to donate any of the shirts' proceeds to Occupy Wall Street.

According to the spokesperson, the shirts will "support" the movement by raising awareness of it. ... "


Really.

Wow, how very kind of them!

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www.reuters.com -read full story here




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My Comment on this:

I mean seriously!

Many in the Major Label Industry Camp have no problem ripping off and/or flat out stealing other's musical works, intellectual property rights, thoughts, concepts and ideas, sampled for commercial use in their own 'product for sale'. They make little effort to actually fully credit or compensate the original true authors of the ideas, performers, artists, authors & publihers with any form of payment or royalties owed.

Hiding behind a floor of lawyers protecting their greed and theft of other people's work, is not a good example of GOOD ETHICS.

They should go out of their way to do the ETHICAL, FAIR THING, especially, more than ever... right now.

Jay-Z and company, seriously, it is time to set an example of a change for the better... for ALL people.
Do the right thing here, do the ETHICAL thing.
Step away from the greed.

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          I think the "occupy" folks all have a axe to grind
 and want to be heard, but they are fractured just as
 bad or worse than our current Congress. They can't
 get together on ANY issue.
        They show up in all shapes, sizes & colors.
 Varied ages too. Most all of them are pissed.
  Well, who isn't pissed now days??????
      All the dope,drugs, and alcohol isn't helping
 their situations, so gathering in the streets banging
 drums in a tribal display is gonna work????
 
         I had a time in my life where I was severly
 injured with a disk blew up in my back that felt
 like a rusty sword was shoved down the bones of
 my left leg, all the way to the heel of my foot. My
 wife was in a extended-care hospital type facility
 and could not care for herself at all.
     I was totally unable to work,couldn't drive or move around, had less than 200 bucks to my name..and
 a mailbox full of bills. I was forced to act if I wanted
 to survive. Step by step I got what I needed. It
 wasn't easy...it was brutal. I got it done in spite of
 all the issues I faced.
         If the "Occupy" folks think they are gonna get
 help hanging out in the street, I got news for them.
  They aren't gonna get shit...  NOTHING.
 They may get clubbed,maced,shot or OD, but they
 won't get any help.
     Get out of the street,clean your ass up, and go to
 work. There is work if you WANT to work. They would
 find work if they LOOKED for work.
     I feel no pity for these street people. Like the old
 Rolling Stones tune...."You may not always get what you want, but you will get what you need."
      I found out a long time ago that if you want to
 make it, you gotta make it happen. It's personal.
     If these folks have the desire to stand in the streets
 and scream at a building...good luck with that plan.
  It ain't gonna feed you,pay your bills, or put a roof
 over your head.
       Are they gonna fix Wall Street?  Maybe?
 
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UPDATE on the JAY-Z - T-Shirt OWS Slogan RipOff Story...



(read full story - www.tmz.com - click here)


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I guess the flood of bad publicity helped him get the point,
or was it a moment of awakening and reflection about "ethics".

I hope, the latter.

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As I said weeks ago...



...a little soul searching and honest ethics can go a long way!

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The protests in Oakland are about to explode again. Stay tuned
for more maceing, pepper spraying, skull clubbing, tazering,
and loads of injuries.
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- Police Clear Zuccotti Park of Protesters -



- Police Clear Zuccotti Park of Protesters - (Full story here)
NewYorkTimes
November 15, 2011
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full NYT story click here




'...The massive operation in and around Zuccotti Park was intended to empty the birthplace of a protest movement that has inspired hundreds of tent cities from coast to coast. ..."



"... The police move came as organizers put out word on their Web site that they planned to “shut down Wall Street” with a demonstration on Thursday to commemorate the completion of two months of the beginning of the encampment, which has spurred similar demonstrations across the country. ..."
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- Police Clear Zuccotti Park of Protesters - (Full story continues here)


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And
at the very same time... this story is also in the News...

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CNN-Story & Video, Here
.

Some Bailout...

$100 million payday...

$13 MILLION DOLLARS in EXECUTIVE BONUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"... Rep. Spencer Bachus, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has scheduled a vote in his committee Tuesday on his own legislation that would suspend the compensation packages of top executives at the firms. ..."

"The fact that the top executives of these failed companies are receiving multi-million dollar pay packages, plus millions more in bonuses, is an added insult to the taxpayers who are forced to foot the bill," Bachus said in a statement announcing plans to hold the vote..."


Note: also read the COMMENTS at the bottom of this story... Wow!



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Is there any wonder why fed up people of this country are willing to sleep in tents on the street in protest risking arrest to voice their massive frustration?

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And here's what OWS has to say, right now...

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OCCUPY WALL STREET


Topics.
Here's what is being discussed, ongoing.

Info:


http://occupywallst.org/



Live Streams Ongoing:
_ http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc

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Geno,
 
I must say you are our resident historian in real time.  I may not always comment, but I do appreciate all the articles, videos and links you post for us in all these threads.  We'll always have them to look back on to remind us of history being made while we've been members of the forum.  I thank you for that.  KUDOS!!ClapThumbs%20UpHug
 
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Toad...

I'm REALLY confused by your post saying that these people need to clean up and find a job. You're a guy who's very educated that we have major issues in this country that are not being changed by the people we have elected.

Of course there are some people who are on the fringes in any group... but I feel that the only way there will be change at the highest level, is for the highest level to get real about what happens when people are mistreated and their basic needs are messed with. If it takes a million people to show how unfair things are... then yes... set up tents... holler at buildings... and keep showing the brutality that occurs when freedom of speech rights are violated.

The cops in NY threw away thousands of books that were being provided for the protesters to read about history, and freedom of speech issues. If that's not a clear sign of what's wrong... nothing is!! Getting rid of the books said it all.

I feel that this movement will grow larger and larger as time goes on... and changes will HAVE to be made.

Remember... FDR sent in the National Guard, who pointed their weapons at POLICE... NOT the protesters.

I'm in agreement with this movement.

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          Every protest like this one gets hyjacked at
 some point. The legit people, with legit issues must
 deal with the anarchists,the commies,the unions,
 the criminals, the dopers and the homeless...all of
 whom give the protest a bad look to the rest of America
 who watch the skewed news. The news always focus
 on the crazies and not the issues. It's what happened
 in 1968, and it's happening NOW.
      In my opinion, the outcome will bring more oppression to those who can least afford it. The
 government will spring up some "enemy lists" like
 Nixon did, people will be demonized,harrassed,jailed,
 and so on. The State National Guard in some locals
 could even start shooting people like at Kent State.
     All the radicals and vandals will cause all the decent
 protestors to suffer and be humiliated. It will peak
 with everybody involved being subjected to some
 government/police clusterfuck of submission.. and what
 will be referred to as "law and order."
      Now if this sounds pessimistic or fatalistic my view
 comes from seeing what went on in 68 and remembering all that crap.The anti-war protests were
 hyjacked by commies and radicals. Their hyjack of the
 protests got us Nixon for another 4 years and no end to the war.
        I vented about these people getting a job because
 I have seen many of them speaking on TV saying they
 expect the government to bail them out of their debts.
 That will never happen. If they want bailed out, they better get to work.
         If any of these true protesters expect to be taken
 seriously, they better start kicking these vandals and
 trouble makers in the ass and get them away from
 their protest. These folks won't accept any "leaders"
 or spokesmen, so they will be forced to submit to
 Mayor's good squads of police. The mayors will assume
 the role of "leadership"...the hard way.
   
      I wish I could foresee a more positive outlook for
 this movement, but I don't have that much faith in
 my government, or any police departments.
 
 toad
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I don't know what news you're watching Toad.

I've been watching Rachel Maddow. She does an exceptional job of comparing history with what's going on today. I don't see any coverage that's as good as hers, and as well researched. She has an exceptional team. It seems like the other reporters miss what's really going on and focus on the fringe.

I highly recommend her show.

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        I watch MSNBC in the morning and up untill
 6:00 o'clock every day. I watch FOX from 6 to 8 to
 hear their side of the issues. I try to stay away from
 the "opinion" people on both networks that occupy
 the prime time slots.
      Maddow has made some good points in her opinion
 pieces like all the others in their prime time shows.
    The part of her message that stops me cold is her
 view that we must spend our way out of this depression...Like 15 trillion isn't enough debt.
     I would think by the fact that she is a woman, in
 a group of mainly male voices, that she would be a
 voice that would be screaming like hell about ending
 all of our un-declared wars. A compassionate,emotional
 voice that should be coming from a woman. A plea
 to end the wars would stand alone against her own
 President and political party. She won't take that stand for whatever reason.
    Doing a hour-long show everyday you can't help but
 speak some truth every once and a while. The jerk
 Glen Beck even did that when it would make him look
 creditable. Iv'e heard both of these networks give
 their spin on the OWS marches, but the main focus
 on their "news only" programs has focused on the
 cops busting heads all over the country.
       The farmers in Iowa, or the Auto workers in Detroit
 and Tenn. turn on their 3 network TV shows and see
 these marchers getting their ass beat, and thats all
 they see. It was the same "blood lead" story in 68'
 and It's the same now in 2011. The major media
 networks will never cover the actual message of the
 protests. Morals and ethics are not their business.
  The major media's story, is the same old major
 media story.... "If it bleeds,it leads."
 
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Well speak of the two!


Click to watch this interesting comparison of the news coverage
of the same OWS Movement's events,
and what's most important to cover
for each network...



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www.huffingtonpost.com
(Click To Watch)


Topless... Sod???        Wow.. ...amazing.



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          I try very hard to be objective about these
 protests and not use network talking points to describe
 my personal opinions of them.
      The initial tea party protests were hyjacked quickly
 by the FOX crew. The initial OWS protests were hyjacked by the MSNBC crew as a sort of Anti-Tea party
 movement. Both demonizing the other on political
 grounds, and NOT focusing on the over-all message of
 both protests.
          I see the truth of both protests being that the
 Public is fed up with the government,[by BOTH parties]
  being operated by corperate special interests that
 feed on the labor,blood,sweat and tears of the majority
 of American citizens. The merger of corperate interests
 with government control in a autocratic,militaristic
 mode of operation is a fairly complete definition of
 a Fascist State. Our Government won't admit to it, and the people don't want to believe it, but how else can
 you describe what is happening to this country??????
     Screw the politics, and look at the facts.
  Is the military,along with the major,FED Wall street
 bankers sending all the American's money out of our
 country to finance their personal,greedy games????
   Must we nation build? Police the world? Bail out Europe? Make China a super power?
       The Tea party and the OWS people better understand why they have no money, and where their
 money has gone. They better fiqure out why
 their social safety nets are disappearing and who
 stole them to pay off bad bets.
      All this political finger pointing is total bullshit
 and wasted energy. A complete distraction as to what
 and who is responsible for the slow but steady destruction of our nation.
       With the rule of law contained in our Constitution
 being stomped into ashes by our corrupt courts, we
 are in a serious state of affairs. The only question
 for the protests and the rest of the people is how
 long can this injustice go on?
 
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I hear Ya, Toad!!!

" ...Screw the politics, and look at the facts.
Is the military,along with the major,FED Wall street
bankers sending all the American's money out of our
country to finance their personal,greedy games????
   Must we nation build? Police the world? Bail out Europe? Make China a super power?
       The Tea party and the OWS people better understand why they have no money, and where their
money has gone. ... ..."

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And speaking of $$$ MONEY $$$

Let's not forget that
Big Bank Lobby PAC Money
and flat out Political

BRIBERY!



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just a thought...
how much could that same amount of BRIBE money help Americans Families to NOT lose their homes,
if
instead they thought to use the"money" in that sort way.

Fat chance in the
"Super Greed is Good" Big Bankster Game & Bribe Everything World.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Pass the barf bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I mean really...
I'm starting to wonder...

"Angered Populism"

Do these Banksters actually
want a full blown, mass population
angry overthrow style Revolution?


... It just seems to make no sense in what The Banksters keep doing,
as if in a drunken greed money stupor,
while taunting the fed-up, angry masses outside the mansion walls,
becoming more and more ready to break out the pitch forks, torches, and start hollering
"off with their heads"
dragging around a few of these...

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Seriously...
— WTF —

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Oh Banksters...
... ummm, just for reference purposes only,
Ya might want to look out the window...



— http://occupywallst.org/ —


Minor Details:

November 17: Historic Day of Action for the 99%
Posted Nov. 18, 2011, 1:11 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Day of Action:

— Over 30,000 People Rally in New York City (NYPD estimated 32,500), including organized contingents of workers, students, and other members of “the 99%”.
Actions in at least 30 cities across the country and around the world
Commemoration of 2-Months Since Birth of the 99% Movement, Festival of Lights on Brooklyn Bridge.
Blockade of all Entry-Points to NYSE; hundreds participate in nonviolence civil disobedience
Sense that a powerful and diverse civic movement for social justice is on the ascent..."

http://occupywallst.org/

p.s. Banksters, have a nice weekend...
and Ya might wanna do a little personal reflection...
Welcome to what your lack of ETHICS has done to America.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 19 2011 at 8:59am
           The above article and video confirms what
 I stated in my last post. The media, and every talking
 head puts the spin on these movements as being all
 about the political parties and not the financial
 manipulation to extract all of our money into corperate hands to be distributed into their games that spread
 all over the globe. Euro bailouts,Mid-East regime change,IMF loan sharks,World bank loan sharks,etc. etc.
      The only thing that is tied to the political parties
 and the politicians in general is WHO WILL GET BOUGHT OFF & WHO WON'T.
      It's obvious the banking elite really don't care
 which political party is in office. They DO care about
 who will take their bribes.
        A very large segment of the Tea Party & the OWS
 people will fall head first into this Republican/VS/
 Democrat swamp and pitch their tents in that swamp.
     That swamp will suck them in deeper & deeper
 untill their heads disappear under the goop.
       All this party motivated crap will prove just how
 easy the bankers can undermine any attempt at
 stopping their games and they will use the media
 to insure the Dems/VS/Reps message is sold lock,
 stock and barrel to the public.
     Is it being cynical to say these protests were
 doomed before they really got started?
    The bankers have a plan in place to deal with
 protests and opposition. Too bad the protesters
 aren't blessed with a solid plan. If they were, this
 might be a fair fight.
 
 toad
Down, and nearly out in Detroit......
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