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That's a nice list.
 
Think there's any chance it'll be taken up by ANY politician? Me neither.
 
 
LOL
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Jeff!!! I agree...
This is really a great list for starters,
and I too would guess that not a single politician will stand up to want to touch it with a ten foot pole.
Sad.
Very sad!


It looks like, so far today, only "Rome" did not get the memo about
"non-violent... peaceful... civil disobedience", Occupy Protest...
going on around the entire Planet
in 950 Cities
in 82 Countries....

But BBC is reporting that even that one in Rome is calmed down now.




Also...
This Bloomberg news story is very interesting,
but what I found equally important,
was one of the
Reader Comments
by
Tahuaya
that follows.
Read what this Marine, who served this country, has to say.

Bloomberg Story first:


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(Full Story continues here)



And now... read this excellent Comment:


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Outstanding!








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         The comment above calls for paying off the national debt. That is the most crazy idea that I keep on hearing from people. There is two reasons we have a national debt. # 1.] Our government has raided every source of cash available to pay for their goddamn wars,
 including the social security funds, pension funds, and the like and then break out the FED money printing machine to provide the rest. The government owes
 the people for this theft..not the other way around.
All of our tax money goes directly to the FED for
 "redistribution" at interest. It can NEVER be paid off.
  We should not be paying the FED a damn dime. Now,
 or in the future !!!! It's like paying police to find your
 stolen money when the police were the thiefs in the first place.
      The #2 reason we have a national debt is that
 we spend more than we take in. DUH Stop the damn
 wars and empire building. Shut down the military
 spending overseas. All of it. Repeal GATT,NAFTA,
 and eliminate all of these so-called "free trade" agreements that are one way trade agreements.
  Stop selling foreign governments arms so they can kill people. End the useless war on drugs.
     There is a huge flow of money going out of this
 country and none coming back. That should tell you
 something. The system we have now does not work.
  End foreign aid to everybody. If you think it works,
 look at Haiti. End all corperate contributions to any
 political campaigns and kick all lobbyists out of
 government. City,State, and Federal.
 
       When you hear these "Occupy" protestors
 demanding the things I have listed above, they
 may get some jobs and have a shot at the American
 dream. If they don't, they won't.
 
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         Another view, but I hear no solutions...
 
 
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These folks went to the wrong place. They should have pickedet outside the White House.
Anybody else missing George Bush besides me?
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Mickey...

I hear Ya, but ...have you been to Washington or Capital Hill lately...
it might be easier to get in past TSA to protest on an airport runway.

They do not want protesters there, clouding the daily threats to National Security targeting Washington, ya know...
because everybody just loves our goobernment, so much.


Anyway...

Toad that vid is good... but here it is raw with out that distracting two chord music loop fighting for attention that somebody added 'cause... they thought it might be cool.
*lol* (Everybody with a freakin' computer's
a freakin' music overproducer these freakin' days!) *lol*

Here's the RAW Un-OverProduced Version...



Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8o3peQq79Q (click!)






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When a Peacefully Protesting Veteran American Soldier is the first to be seriously Injured by Oakland police...


Is this where a revolution begins, or escalates, or has real revolution already begun?



Very Interesting look at some US History here...


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USA - Bonus Army 1932 & USA - Occupy WS 2011
Very Interesting (click here) -


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24 year old Iraq War Veteran Seriously Injured by Oakland Police

(Nightly News Video Story here)




After serving his country in two tours of duty,
an Iraq Veteran who was peacefully protesting
is put in critical condition...
...thanks to the Oakland Police.

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"Medic!"

WTF!

Oakland Police need to, at the very least, take some lessons from NYC Police!
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Veteran injured in Oakland "Occupy" protest awake...
Occupy Oakland protester Scott Olsen,
a former US Marine and Iraq war veteran,
is carried away after being injured
during a demonstration in Oakland, California
October 25, 2011.


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(Reuters News Story Here)


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and...



www.guardian.co.uk/world
is reporting:

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"This is for Scott Olsen," said Sergeant Shamar Thomas, as he marched on Wednesday night in honour of his fellow Marine.

Both men are Iraq war veterans, but unlike Thomas, Olsen was lying in a California hospital bed - some 3,000 miles away from New York City. He'd suffered a fractured skull and a swelling brain after police shot "non-lethal" projectiles into an Oakland crowd the night before. Given the severity of his injuries, doctors induced a coma as a medical precaution.

"This is the most exhilarating thing I've ever been a part of in my life," Thomas added, leading the march throughout Lower Manhattan on Wednesday night. "It makes me proud to be an American. It makes me proud to be a veteran." ... ...


...it continues...

"...some demonstrators confronted officers on issues of police brutality, communicating their concerns with varying degrees of polite interest and outright indignation.

When asked how he felt when he heard the news of Olsen's injuries, a rank-and-file officer - who did not provide his name - said, "It was heartbreaking." He stressed that police officers do not want to see people get hurt.

Michael Patterson - a 21 year-old Army veteran from Anchorage, Alaska - argued that the police's implicit countenance of an unjust system put them on the wrong side of an ongoing struggle. Patterson, who served in Iraq in 2008, said he faced a "moral conundrum" six months after he returned to the states.

"I started realising I hurt people. Not terrorists, not insurgents. People," he said.

"The saying I keep hearing is that police are just doing their jobs," Patterson said, "If you're doing a job but you're supporting a corrupt system, you're still doing the wrong f***ing thing." ...

(full Guardian story)




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Back on October 9 (a little farther up this page) I posted the following:
 
 
"The approaching chilly weather, combined with the ratcheted-up abuse
from the cops will soon end these demonstrations in all but the warmest U.S. cities."
 
 
A discouraging prediction, but apparently accurate. I saw this coming.
 
We're in an election year - remember that.
Mayors are under pressure to demonstrate they can "control their streets"
and keep the rabble down. What happened in Oakland is going to happen again.
 
 
Little has changed since Chicago in '68 ... when "The Whole World was Watching".
The youth of that generation are now the ones holding office.
Seems quite a few of these folks weren't watching very closely.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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       In all U.S. cities,large and small, the police
 departments of these cities are little quasi-military
 enforcers of local, and some state laws.
    Their budget comes from local taxes. They are usually
 supervised and controlled by the local politicians, like
 Mayors or County Supervisors.
      More often than not they make up their own rules
 of conduct and are defended by local lawyers and local
 Judges. Many times they get away with murder and
 other very nasty crimes. They enjoy much local
 political, union and judicial protection.
       The Occupy Wall Street protestors are finding out
 that what passes in NYC for police restraint and decent
 police intervention is not universal in other towns.
     In some communities they will get their ass beat,
 gassed and arrested as a general rule.
    The police and local laws vary a lot and there are no
 guarantees that your rights guaranteed in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights will be honored in
 some cities. More often than not, if you elect to
 join in a local..large crowd protest you will be mugged
 by the local cops in varied brutal ways.
      It's like eating strange new ethnic food,... you don't
 know if you are going to like it untill you take a taste.
  The difference is, you probably would like the new food
 adventure, but jumping into a protest in most U.S.
 cities won't set to well on your stomach or upside
 your head. The general rule is: Police are not to be
 trusted dealing with protestors. They, more often than
 not, will hurt you for no justified reason.. and get away
 with it.
 
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Jeff & Toad!

Excellent points!

Humans tend to do their best and most effective "swarming" in warmer weather.

With that in mind, I just watched this interesting video, about "having a two way conversation with the big banks" that aren't listening to their existing and potential customers... about taking some ethical responsibility for some of the wrongs that they might possibly have comitted against their fellow citizens and humans.

And in the mean time, this sort of "protest" during the cold weather might also help out our US Post Office to possibly save a few jobs over there, too.



(Click to watch)

*LoL*... the imagination runs wild with this...

Be Civil, Be Safe, Be Heard

Roofing shingles from your underwater about to be foreclosed house that's been denied for refinancing by the same bank... or

Enclose the 70+ pages of documents that you faxed 4 times 'cause they lost them again, shredded, along with the refinancing application that got denied anyway, even though they never "lost" a monthly payment that you've never missed sending... ever.

Or as one commenter suggested... "...enclose a hunk of sheet metal"


Ya gotta love it!

"Yo bank... Foreclose this!"

Too funny.

Thoughts?



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Wall Street...
Gambling Addiction Problem?

Oh wait...

Nah... it's just another Wall Street, Banker, Politician,
risking and losing hundreds of million$ of dollars
of other people's money...




Corzine-led firm used client's money - NightlyNews - (click here)


p.s. When they fire Corzine... he automatically gets a $12.1 million dollar parachute???

WTF!!!!!

How about hard labor & jail time & million$ in fines
for Corzine
for not learning any valuable lessons from 2008 about destroying economies...



GO OCCUPY WALL STREET!!!!!!!!





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OCCUPY WALL STREET


Topics.
Here's what is being discussed, ongoing.

Info:


http://occupywallst.org/



Live Streams Ongoing:
_ http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc

Civil, peaceful discussion using the peoples mic in an unscripted expression of raw democracy.



My Comment:

I watched a few hours of the live CSPAN streams today...

The House of Representatives in cushy, warm surroundings, in an empty hall with few paying attention, discussing stuff that honestly does not directly impact or improve the "world" of anyone that I actually know, personally, on this planet... each politician mostly throwing blame at each other, while nothing gets done or resolved... no solutions... no problem gets fixed.

And I also watched the OWS Live Stream of what people are saying thru the peoples' mic...

In a form of Raw, Pure Democracy... often in the cold... and so what they are talking about? Well on many topics, what I am hearing are things that actually do affect the majority of the people's "worlds" that I actually do know, people that are suffering right now, just trying to stay afloat in 2011, to an enthuesed, active, participating audience.

What does this say?

~Geno







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November 2, 2011

OWS / Occupy Oakland will be all over the news later today...



Read full story here)
http://occupywallst.org/article/military-veterans-join-99-wall-street/




Hopefully, all will stay peaceful, resulting in a powerful, positive result of awareness.

Amazingly, peaceful protest, in various forms, can occasionally get things accomplished that would normally be impossible...

www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews


... could it be?... are they starting to get some small part of the message that the average america citizen is fed up with being financially abused into the ground?

Let's hope.

Interestingly... writing letters to our "congress" to try to achieve the same, simple result would have probably taken five years.

What does that say about the working of the current political system of "representation"?






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         And the ass-beating from police will escalate
 untill the "Guard" troops show up and shoot a few
 Like at Kent State. How long will it take?
 
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Transaction Tax On Financial Speculation Gets Boost From Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 10/26/11 12:35 PM ET Updated: 10/26/11 12:49 PM ET

- Transaction Tax On Financial Speculation Gets Boost From Occupy Wall Street -(full story)
"igned to have little impact on pension funds that buy and hold securities for the long term or on individual investors who don't make hundreds or thousands of trades a day.

"This proposal will not only curb some risky trading activities, but will also raise greatly needed revenue in a way that does not negatively impact middle-class Americans," said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who plans to introduce Senate legislation when the upper chamber, which is now in recess, returns.

The global reach of the OWS demonstrations is critical to passage of a U.S. tax on financial speculation, because banks argue that the extra cost would simply drive the risky trades from New York to an overseas exchange.... ... ... ..."




and......




Occupy Wall Street's Message Gains Momentum In Congress
Posted: 11/2/11 03:15 PM ET

-Occupy Wall Street's Message Gains Momentum In Congress -(full storyhere)

"WASHINGTON -- Occupy Wall Street is finding a louder voice in Congress as lawmakers invoked its rhetoric repeatedly Wednesday in attempts to crack down on speculation, punish dangerous mine operators and pass a jobs bill.

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) acknowledged that the Occupy movement could help advance legislation they rolled out designed to "squeeze ... volatility out of the market."

Joined by Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa), the chairman of the Populist Caucus, Harkin and DeFazio introduced the Targeted Wall Street Trading Tax bill. It would levy a tax equivalent to three cents for every $100 on transactions like stock trades, credit swaps and derivatives that were largely blamed for the mortgage market meltdown and financial crisis of 2008 that plunged the economy into recession.

Harkin said the bill targets large-scale investors. "By setting the tax rate very low, the measure is not likely to impact the decision to engage in productive economic activity," he said at a press conference. But he said the amounts would add up for the big players, serving as both a check on reckless speculation and a deficit-cutting measure that could bring in hundreds of billions to help rebuild the country.

The tax, Harkin said, "is a matter of simple prudence, fairness, and fiscal sanity."

Further, DeFazio argued that economic recovery requires tamping down the most excessive activities on Wall Street. ... ... ..."



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And...
All of this going on live on C-SPAN as I type this...

__(click)



Well...
This day ended on the Senate floor with repeated "qurourm roll calls" and stalls & delays... and then speech after speech by Republican Senators about...

this weekends' "university football matches" throughout the south.

   I kid you not.   

College Football... obviously waaay more important than jobs,
infrastructure or fixing ... anything
that is clearly ready to crumble and implode in the USA!

Disgraceful.







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And in referemce to the posts above about Congress from November 2...



Thursday November 3, 2011
Men Not at Work
- Congressional Republicans believe that the only thing more important than focusing on jobs is sending Barack Obama a petty, unrelated message on official house stationery. (06:45)


- Men Not at Work Nov 3, 2011 - (Click)


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        Most everybody is mad as hell about the economy
 and jobs but they can't locate the root cause of what
 is wrong with the "system."
       Something has slowly happened over the last
 40 years that people don't understand. "Our" economy
 is no longer the only economy for us to focus on.
    As "globalization" creeped into America's economy,
 the "System" we had in place for the boom-bust business cycles, caused by the manipulation of bank
 lending and interest rates CAN'T WORK ANYMORE.
          Now, people want the reccession fixed quickly
 but the fix is not coming at all-let alone fast. It's
 dragging on and on and on. There isn't multiple
 reasons for the delay....there is only ONE. The fault
 for our economic disaster and the reason It's not getting fixed falls at the feet of ONE single group.
                     THE BANKS
    Occupy Wall Street should learn who their only
 real enemy is before they go any further into their protests. If these protestors unite against their true
 enemy, maybe their voices will taken seriously.
    I will open up a new thread for more in-depth
 discussion about THE BANKS so we can get a good
 grip on what will be happening in our rocky future
 concerning our broken economy. The banks are the key.
 
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Toad, very interesting!

And Toad, You are probably very correct about the BANKS!

Ok, I just watched this video.

Listen to this conversation... and the dynamic going on here.

In a way this conversation... while all over the place, really sums it up.

What a mess.

... But this is the conversation that really needs to take place... not just politicians that have it all figured out in advance for the good of "their party" agenda, only.

Wow... at times, these people are totally on opposite sides, and at times these people are actually very much in agreement... and it switches back and forth in nano-seconds.

And people on both sides of these complex intertwined issues...
with respect to the causes of, and solutions to, these problems
ARE
very passionate about what they believe, right or wrong.

   

IMHO... more compassionate "listening" needs to take place when opinions are voiced, on both sides,
but... this is a good start that needs to happen.

Can our crippled Congress of The Divided States of Americaca, learn anything here?




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