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Originally posted by Gene_Leone_Mix Gene_Leone_Mix wrote:




And

as the

Internet Radio Saga

continues...


the plot thickens.

This should make things even more interesting...

"Internet Radio-Capable IPod Rumored for Release Tomorrow"



Thursday - Sept 6th, 2007 - wired.com


So whaddyYAthink?


 
 
Internet radio Ipod? What point will there be having one of those if there's no stations to play on it, except maybe carbon copies of AM/FM- with short playlists and 10-15 minutes of commercials for every 2 minutes of actual programming? The people who came up with it are gonna end up losing a shitload of money, if they're lucky enough not to go bankrupt. Kinda like inventing rubber tires for horse carriages after Henry Ford introduced mass production of his Model T.
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Animal!

*lol* I know...
It's kinda like buggy whips with 8 track cassette players attached!

What purpose does it serve if Internet radio goes the way of terrestrial radio...
"More commercials and more crap muzak you don't want to hear...
right here after these 37 commercials - stay tuned!"



Oh joy!


And Jeff!!!

*LOL* Don't get me started any more than I already have been in the past few days! *lol*

Smiles Thru the Tears,
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Originally posted by Gene_Leone_Mix Gene_Leone_Mix wrote:

Animal!

*lol* I know...
It's kinda like buggy whips with 8 track cassette players attached!

What purpose does it serve if Internet radio goes the way of terrestrial radio...
"More commercials and more crap muzak you don't want to hear...
right here after these 37 commercials - stay tuned!"

 
And all of it run by Clear Channel, CBS, Disney, all the corporate programming we ran from a few years ago.
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Animal. . .
 
I agree with the solution you posted up higher in this thread.
 
Money talks. . . where bullshit walks.
 
"Hit them in the wallet". . . as you said.
 
Mixey
 
Posted By Animal:
 

Here's another idea.

Where Plain Americans can show The Record Labels, The CRB and the RIAA just who it is they're messing with!


Download our PSAs on the "Don't Buy Into It" Campaign

http://www.iwebradio.net/Dont_Buy_Into_It_Campaign.mp3
http://www.iwebradio.net/DBII-Word_To_The_Artists.mp3


Click to hear it or rightclick and select "Save As" to save to your harddrive.

Get more PSA's about HR-2060 by clicking HERE and play them on your shows. Get the word out about this bill and our movement!

Welcome to the Movement! Are you sick of the RIAA suing any and everyone? Whether they illegally download files or not? Are you fed up with the CRB's ruling destroying your favorite Internet Radio Stations with the outrageous Royalty Fee's they passed? Are you tired of the Record Labels dictating what and who you listen to? Are you tired of the kack their Playing on AM/FM radio? Are you downright pissed off about the pablum your being force-fed by the record companies? Do you hate that they use up the Artists then toss them aside when they don't make them money anymore? Do you hate how they rob your favorite artists blind? Do you want a change?

Have you or someone you know been sued by the RIAA? Has your favorite Internet Radio Station been shut down? Pissed off that the CRB made it impossible for Stations to stay on the Air? Tired of spending $20 on a CD and getting one or two songs you like? Do you hate the lame music being played over and over on AM/FM radio? Do you hate having your music choices dictated to you by Corporations? Sick of the desperate acts of blatant thievery to keep a dying business model alive? Have you had enough yet?
There is something you CAN do about it...

 

Add our Banner to your site! Copy and paste the following code into your page...

What is it about? The "Don't Buy Into It" campaign is a simple way to show just how fed up your are. We are trying to start a movement to Show the Real Instigators...The RECORD LABELS...behind all this just who it is they're messing with. The American Consumer! That's right people...it is WE, not they...who control the market. After watching the RIAA sue everyone from little girls to Deceased elderly people, with little to no proof. Their Gestapo tactics in getting what they want in order to blackmail people into paying up. The time has come for us to say "Enough!" and to show them in the most powerful and direct way possible. How do you think we can do this? After all the Labels are Powerful, Multi-billion dollar corporations. How can we little peons like us possibly do anything to hurt them?!? Its Simple...

For 6 months, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!

Warner Music, EMI, Vivendi Universal and Sony BMG

From October 1st, 2007 to March 1st, 2008...Dont buy CD's, Concert Tickets, Ringtones, MP3's, T-Shirts, Posters...Anything the Record Labels can make a Dime on! We can go for 6 months without Buying their kack...they CAN'T go 6 months without US buying their kack! If you want to really send a message, Hit them where it hurts...hit them in the same place they've been hitting us for years. Hit them in the WALLET! Send a message that we're tired of being bullied, led around by the nose, getting our brains washed with Lie Soap. Pissed off at how they manipulated the Government and CRB to do their bidding. How they screw the artists and totally hose the music. Stand up and show them just what the power of the People really is. Dont support this tyranny any longer! You want choice, you want freedom, you want the music to be real and the Artists vision preserved. Take the "Commerciality" out of the music. Stop treating us like morons and thinking you know what it is we should or shouldnt like!

Get Involved!! Start the Revolution today...get your family and friends involved. Get them to get others involved. DJ's, Netcasters, Podcasters, Listeners...Spread the word about the movement. Lets take back what is rightfully ours. Our dignity and freedom of choice. Send a message to the Record Labels that we're fed up with the lawyers and their Gestapo tactics. Tell them to reign in their dogs, negotiate a fair and equitable Royalty rate so Internet Radio can stay on the air. Send them a message that they exist ONLY because of us and our Money. And that we can take that from them...Let them know we want them to change with the times. Evolve with the world. Quit trying to keep a Dying Business Model alive! You're like Dinosaurs trying to grab every last leaf to survive...after the Meteor has already hit!!! Give the Artists not only a fair shake, but their due! Let the Labels know you wont support them and their tyranny any longer. Tell everyone, everywhere....DON'T BUY INTO IT!

We Can Do it! Gotta Have Music? So you just cant live without spending your money on music huh? Well we have a suggestion that will not only save you money, it will keep money from the Labels and the RIAA! Buy Independant Artists Music This is the first best idea. Help to build up local and Indie Artists and labels not represented by the RIAA. Course it means a little research on your part. Use MySpace, you can checkout alot of new music there. Many great artists arent signed to the Major Labels so you'll get natural, pure music the way the Artists intended. Not what the Labels manufacture to appease the masses. It also lets the labels know they can be replaced!

Buy Used CD's! The Labels get no additional money from the sale of Used CD's and no money from them goes to the RIAA. And you get them for a lot cheaper than the labels charge for the same CD new! Amazon.com, Barnes & Nobles as well as other websites sell used CD's and DVD's. Most new releases are available so you can get the music you want and don't have to support the RIAA or Labels! Artists? Your music will still be heard this way and, if you think about it...would the Labels share any of that revenue with you if they got a chunk of these sales? I doubt it![/quote]

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Mixey and Animal ...
 
Yup. Damn right! The fact is, I haven't bought a CD in many months. (That's easy to do because I loathe most of what passes for "popular mass-consumed music" these days, AND with 2 girls in college my frivolous expenditures have been reined in!)
 
But I'm doing my part ... I ain't buying!
 
(I'm putting my home studio back online and I'm going to resume making my own! That's the best revenge...)
 
 
 
  
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Jeff, I LOVE the "Make Your Own" idea!
Smiles!

Ok, it's September 15th, 2007 (the last deadline?) and I've gotta be honest... there is precious little news about where things stand on the whole Internet Radio nightmare. Was SoundExchange just waiting for this Saturday deadline to quietly slip by with as little news attention as possible? Lets see what begins to take shape starting on Monday... especially with the smaller, dedicated Mom & Pop desktop internet broadcasters.

Here is one article I found, and even this is now 5 days old.
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Deals Could Be Close on Internet Radio
By SETH SUTEL Sept 10. 2007
Associated Press Article here

NEW YORK (AP) Listening to radio over the Internet is easier than ever, as high-speed connections have proliferated and online offerings become more sophisticated. Now the legal aspects may be falling into place too.

The music industry and online broadcasters have been duking it out for months over the royalties that should be paid to record labels and artists, but there are signs that the logjam could break as early as this month.

John Simson, the head of SoundExchange, a music industry group that collects royalties from digital broadcasters and distributes them to artists and labels, said he is optimistic about reaching an agreement soon with public radio stations, possibly by the end of September.

Resolving questions over royalties for online broadcasting is critical for the futures of both the music and radio industries as people increasingly use portable listening devices like Apple Inc.'s iPod and desktop computers as a substitute for radio broadcasts. Sales of music CDs have also been tumbling, and record labels are trying hard to find new ways of building revenues and adapting to changing consumer habits.

Wading through the complex issues, however, has taken longer than many had hoped. A lobbying group for the broadcast industry, the National Association of Broadcasters, said it's disappointed it hasn't heard back from SoundExchange about its proposals for three months.

SoundExchange's agreements with public radio stations as well as parallel agreements with other broadcasters, terrestrial and online expired in 2005. And a decision in March by a three-judge panel of copyright judges imposed higher royalties on all parties that stream music online and made no exceptions for public broadcasters.

Public radio stations, which have been able to broadcast music online under better terms than commercial stations, may now be closest to a deal.

Mike Riksen, NPR's vice president of government relations, said NPR was in the midst of a wide-ranging survey of the online usage habits of public radio listeners that was "very complex and very time-consuming," but he expected to meet with SoundExchange soon to discuss the results.

The talks with NPR are one of several tracks of negotiations that the music industry is pursuing with different groups of Internet radio broadcasters.

NPR may be the first large organization to reach a comprehensive agreement with music rights holders.

Radio stations that stream music over their Web sites as well as online-only companies such as Yahoo Inc., AOL (a part of Time Warner Inc.) and Pandora Media Inc. all pay royalties to artists and record labels for the right to stream music online.

But terrestrial radio companies traditionally haven't paid royalties, on the principle that the labels and artists got promotional value for music sales from getting play on the air.

Last month SoundExchange reached an agreement with a group representing online companies such as Yahoo, AOL and Pandora to cap the per-channel fees that broadcasters would pay, on top of royalties.

Still to be decided is the even larger issue of what the new royalty rates should be.

The copyright judges ruled that online broadcasters must pay higher royalties per song, per listener, for every song delivered. The judges also set out specific per-song rates, but the two sides are talking about setting new rates.

Jonathan Potter, executive director of the Digital Media Association, whose members include large commercial Webcasters such as Yahoo, RealNetworks Inc. and Pandora, says he's "cautiously optimistic" about reaching a deal in the next several weeks.

Potter declined to go into details of the discussions, but he indicated that the industry was eager to get the rates issue out of the way.

"We're in a holding pattern," Potter said. "This is obviously not the time for people to be launching new ventures. We've got to resolve this before the industry can get to the next level."

National Association of Broadcasters spokesman Dennis Wharton called the wait for a response from SoundExchange "disappointing."

Simson, with the SoundExchange, noted that the music industry's multitrack talks with the various groups of Internet radio operators has been extraordinarily complex and said talks are moving ahead as expeditiously as possible.

"It takes a fair amount of work, and we've been doing the due diligence" on assessing NAB's proposals, Simson said.

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Associated Press Link
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Well,,,

I just got this email today...

From: Webcasters Unite
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:34 pm
Post subject: Let's Get It Done Now
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Nw Forum Topic.. We have all waited patiently for SoundExchange to offer something that could work.. not give us orders and tell us we are breaking the law. Only way I can see out of this is too change the law.. IREA comes too mind. It's time too get loud again. New PSAs will be coming. We really hafta reach out and touch our listeners one more time. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the bs they keep spouting out with no real answer. Let's just all get LOUD and see what happens. We can't lose.. May as well try and win! - Webcasters Unite Staff
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This morning, on the Webcasters Unite Forum,
I posted this:

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Hi Wildun,

I am very disappointed about this whole situation. Did the Internet Radio Equality Act die on the vine?

Internet_Radio_Equality_Act in Wikipedia

I know much noise was made, and some deals were cut, but the Sept 15th came and went, with no action from Congress, and it seems that The Music Indie Labels and Music Indie Artists/Musicians fairness and level playing field issues were just ignored, never brought up, or lumped together with the Major Labels (gag) as "The Music Industry" in most of the press.

Lets face it, unless I'm wrong, Small to Mid sized Internet Broadcasters and Indie Labels (Non RIAA by choice) got ignored screwed in this deal so far, and made to look like SoundExchange is our friend, working on OUR behalf.   (((NOT!)))

I have posted extensive information about all of this here:

Music Indies Unite!!! Save Internet Radio! What is Going On in The "Music" Industry!?!?!!!
http://soulfulplanet.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33

Is there some new hope here that is just not getting any press?

Now what?

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and now, this,,,

Webcasters Stand Firm
Posted : Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:06:48 GMT
Author : SaveNetRadio
Category : PressRelease www.earthtimes.org - read here

"SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Thousands of webcasters stand firm by rejecting the most recent Copyright Royalty Rate (CRB) proposal made by SoundExchange. The latest take it or leave it "offer" made by SoundExchange on behalf of the recording industry has done nothing to further negotiations with webcasters, and a mere 24 small webcasters have felt they had no choice but to give in to the record labels' demands."...

(((See what I mean about "the recording industry" and "record label's demands". The word "MAJOR" (label's demands) needs to be clarified in otherwise great articles, such as this.)))

it continues...


"The latest proposal made by SoundExchange is extremely disappointing, at a time where we need real progress, not hollow tricks," SaveNetRadio spokesperson Jake Ward said. "While the clock continues to tick for webcasters, SoundExchange continues to play games with their good faith. The resounding rejection of this offer should serve as a reminder to SoundExchange, and to Congress, that the webcasting community is intent on a lasting and fair resolution to this issue, and willing to fight for it."

We, the undersigned have made it very clear to the SoundExchange exactly why this latest offer is unrealistic and unacceptable. Its terms are not viable for webcasters seeking to run profitable businesses. One such term is the newly added Aggregate Tuning Hour (ATH) cap which immediately makes many mid-level webcasters ineligible for the recently presented agreement. For stations with revenues far below the $1.25 million cap, but with healthy listener bases, this ATH cap forces payments at the CRB rates.

This deal is not feasible for anyone who wants to grow their business. It contains the aforementioned $1.25 million revenue cap, which limits growth and puts in place a dangerously low hard ceiling for revenue generation. The Small Business Administration revenue cap for over-the-air broadcasters to be considered a small business is $6.5 million -- this would seem a fair cap, with precedent.

Also, the offer only covers copyright holders that are SoundExchange members, of which there are approximately 20,000. Between us, the undersigned webcasters played far more artists than that in the last year. Under the SoundExchange offer for artists not on that limited roster, webcasters would have to pay at the bankruptcy-level rates, which were set in the fatally flawed Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) ruling in March.

Those CRB rates were condemned by webcasters, the press and members of Congress and deemed as wildly out of line and detrimental to all parties concerned -- including the RIAA.


(((Thank You! This is a form of "dark payola' that SoundExchange has sneakily stuck in the deal that benefits the MAJOR RIAA LABELS, and screws the INDIE NON-RIAA LABELS and INTERNET BROADCASTERS!!!))))
As I wrote on Sept 5th...{{{NOTE: i.e. Does this mean... that higher rates are paid to SoundExchange for stations to PLAY INDIE MUSIC!!!!... and the INDIES will never see ANY of those royalties paid because... they are NOT RIAA members??? WTF!!!
Think about it, isn't this just another twisted form of "dark payola"???}}}


the article continues...

We have asked for a reasonable, long-term solution, not one that is subject to increase at the whim of the record industry every five years. 2010 is little more than 2 years away, and it would be difficult for any business owner to accurately forecast profits and build a successful business model with a huge expense variable looming in the future.
Although several of the webcasters listed below are currently involved in direct negotiations with SoundExchange, the process remains exceedingly slow and increasingly unpromising. In the continuing absence of a genuine offer that would allow internet radio to continue to be the vital medium for new music discovery we implore our listeners and fans of internet radio to continue to urge your legislative representatives to pass the Internet Radio Equality Act (HR2060, S.1353).
For information on how you can contact your representative, please visit http://www.savenetradio.org/.
Signed: Jeff Bachmeier, .977 Val Starr, GotRadio.com, 100hitz.com Rusty Hodge, Somafm.com Rick White, BigR Radio. 1faith.fm Donnie Mowbray, 181.fm Kurt Hanson, AccuRadio Dave Landis, Ultimate 80's Bill Goldsmith, Radio Paradise Ted Leibowitz, BagelRadio Sal Amato, Dot1media Brandon Casci, Loud City Jim & Wanda Atkinson, 3WK Ari Shopat, Digitally Imported Mike Roe, Radio IO
SaveNetRadio
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Well, I guess it's not over yet,
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Pathetic... but as you said... still not over.

Good info Geno. Thank you.

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Sen. Clinton Backs SoundExchange/Webcaster Compromise
By Eliot Van Buskirk October 10, 2007 | 3:31:16 PM
Categories: Save Net Radio
"Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton made a broad statement of support for continued negotiations between webcasters and SoundExchange..."

(read WIRED article here}
& what some Comments refer to as her "issue-dodging" - "form letter".

I don't know who or what to believe anymore. This sure reads like a form letter.
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It pisses me off that people have the nerve to report this with a bent as though she is backing Sound Exchange.
 
Read the Friggin' article!!!!!
 
Look at the title of the article..... and how it's meant to look. That's bullshit!!!
 
She's backing the hope of a compromise..... NOT SOUND EXCHANGE !!!
 
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Universal Music Takes on iTunes
www.businessweek.com
(Note: The actual date today is Oct 17, 2007,
the article lists the publication date of this article as Oct 22, 2007,
which of course is... next Monday? Go figure?
...anyway....)


Universal Music Takes on iTunes
Universal chief Doug Morris is enlisting other big music players for a service to challenge the Jobs juggernaut (read here)


"...taking on Steve Jobs," says ex-MCA Records Chairman Irving Azoff, whose Azoff Music Management Group represents the Eagles, Journey, Christina Aguilera, and others. "The artists are behind him."

"Morris and Jobs were once the best of allies. When Jobs began pushing his idea for a simple-to-use download store in 2003, Morris backed him. Industry insiders say Jobs felt that Morris, unlike many other music executives, understood that they had to adapt or die. And in the years that followed, Apple and Universal moved in near lockstep."

"But before long, Morris realized he and his fellow music executives had ceded too much control to Jobs. "We got rolled like a bunch of puppies," he said during a recent meeting, according to people who were there. And though Morris hasn't publicly blasted Jobs, his boss at Universal parent Vivendi is not nearly so hesitant. The split with record labels--Apple takes 29 cents of the 99 cents--"is indecent," Vivendi CEO Jean-Bernard Levy told reporters in September. "Our contracts give too good a share to Apple." "

"After unilaterally breaking off talks with Apple in July, Morris continued offering Universal's roster--Eminem, 50 Cent, U2, and other artists--to Apple, but on a month-to-month basis. That freed Universal to cut special deals..."

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Ok, I've got 2 simple questions here???

In other words... Does this mean that this same "bunch of puppies",
now want to bite off the very hand that's been feeding them?

And just for fun, I'll repeat my original question from 6 months ago...
What is Going On in The "Music" Industry!?!?

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SoundExchange: Who Won the War?
Paul R. Gathard (Blog) - October 15, 2007 1:02 PM writes:

"...Who won the copyright royalty rate war? Well, I would venture a guess that SoundExchange thinks it won the war. They still have their miserably high CRB imposed "per-song played" rate intact today."

"Many commercial webcasters are packing it in and calling their Internet Radio broadcast finished. Some may even file bankruptcy over retro-royalty payments now due. These are losers in this war."
"Many Internet Radio listeners will no longer to be able to go online and hear their favorite online broadcast. These too are losers in this war."
"Many Indie artists will no longer have a place for their music to be played. These too are losers in this war."
"I see only one bright spot and winner in this war, other than the RIAA that is. That winner is small and medium sized non-commercial webcasters and simulcasters. Religious and educational webcasters are no worse off if they webcast 159,140 or less hours of music each month..." (read article here & also the Comments!)

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Sad!
It is still so frustrating to me that so many key "big picture' issues never got addressed in all of this... just higher rates for SoundExtort to collect for the Major Labels that their own Artists will never see... while Non-RIAA INDIE LABELS AND INDIES ARTISTS get royally screwed... and less equal opportunity and level playing fields for ALL of us in the "Music Trenches", just trying to do... some Great Music,
...and Copyright law and fair use issues are as much of a mess as they were before all of this started. Congress showed support, then just let things happen, and then went right back to sleep.

It's a shame... a great opportunity for fairness, equality and wonderful improvement has been truly missed.
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Warner Music Boss: "we were wrong"

1:50PM, Wednesday 14th November 2007
MacUser News

"We were wrong to go to war with consumers"

The boss of Warner Music has made a rare public confession that the music industry has to take some of the blame for the rise of p2p file sharing.
Speaking at the GSMA Mobile Asia Congress in Macau, Edgar Bronfman told mobile operators that they must not make the same mistake that the music industry made.

"We used to fool ourselves,' he said. "We used to think our content was perfect just exactly as it was. We expected our business would remain blissfully unaffected even as the world of interactivity, constant connection and file sharing was exploding. And of course we were wrong.
Story continues here... MacUser News

and this info is also updated here... and OMG Read the COMMENTS!!!
slashdot.org /COLOR>

such as...
by croddy (659025) * on Friday November 16, @01:21PM (#21381549)
Put you money where your mouth is, Eddie boy. If these lawsuits offend you as you claim, dissolve your membership in the conspiracy that organizes them. As long as you're still a member of the RIAA, and as long as the lawsuits keep coming, your comments are just as dishonest as your corrput business model.

So please... don't beat me with both fists while apologizing between blows. The beating still hurts and your "apology" just adds insult to injury"

... and...

by flyingsquid (813711) on Friday November 16, @04:02PM (#21383711)
RE: (That might be the funniest piece of BS I've read in a long time. A war was inadvertently started against the consumers, just like Hitler inadvertently started WWII.)

You're seriously comparing the Third Reich to the RIAA? I think you're being a little harsh on the Germans there."






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LOOOOOOL !!!  
 
That's wild Geno !!! 
 
I'm glad SOMEONE is admiting to being wrong at least, even if it does have a slime element to it.
 
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AOL & YAHOO are threatening to DROP Internet Music Radio due to a 38% spike in royalty payments... way to go RIAA & SoundExchange!
Brilliant... that 'less exposure thing' will really help Artists, Musicians, and Creative People, won't it...


Yahoo threatens to drop Internet radio because of royalties
29 November 2007 20:11 by vurbal

"Bloomberg is reporting that AOL and Yahoo are both considering shutting down their Web radio operations due to a 38% spike in royalty payments over the last few months. The sharp increase is due to royalty rates that the U.S. Copyright Board approved over webcaster objections earlier this year. It was a word for word copy of a proposal from SoundExchange, the agency responsible for collecting and distributing royalties on behalf of music labels."

"Besides increasing royalties to astronomical levels over the next couple of years, it also increases royalty payments retroactively, forcing online radio services to make additional payments for broadcasts they've already paid for once. "We're not going to stay in the business if cost is more than we make long term,'' Ian Rogers, general manager at Yahoo's music unit, told Bloomberg. The good news for webcasters is that their appeal is scheduled to be heard starting in February."

"At least one investment analyst isn't overly concerned about Yahoo's long term plans for online radio. Capital Markets analyst Jordan Rohan laughed at the notion, saying "With the abundance of free or relatively free music available, shuttering the service won't cause that much of a disruption in the market."
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Report: AOL, Yahoo May Shutter Money-Sucking Radio Services
By Betsy Schiffman November 28, 2007 | 12:55:33 PM - Wired

"...We're not going to stay in the business if cost is more than we make long term,'' Ian Rogers, general manager at Yahoo's music unit, told Bloomberg.          
The news comes roughly eight months after the U.S. Copyright Royalty Board hiked royalty rates for webcasts effective (retroactively) from 2006 through 2010. "

See Wired Article Here
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Brilliant... RIAA, SoundExchange, yup, 'less exposure' will surely help Save the Music Industry, keep jacking up those rates on those webcasters trying to help. Brilliant! Why don't you just get your buddies on the CRB to outlaw listening to music of any kind and just get it over with.


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JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!!!
 
Geno, if Yahoo & AOL stop their service to internet radio, does that mean we won't be able to get our favorite shows like Rhythm Revue through Internet Explorer anymore??
 
I'm not computer savy so you have me wondering.
 
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Hi Dream,

This article refers to 2 "very big" Internet Radio Streams... Yahoo's Launchcast Music Stations/Streams Listed Here

and AOL's Online Radio Services

AOL Online Radio - Free Internet Radio Stations See here
for example...
AOL Radio A to Z Station List
and...
AOL's XM channels available commercial free to all listeners

This is the slippery slope thing in action...

if two large mega-corporations (Yahoo & AOL) are already struggling to survive the new outrageous royalty rate increases required by the CRB/SoundExchange/RIAA, how long will the smaller Internet Radio Streams and Local Radio Station feeds (like possibly Felix's Station, Jay's Station, Spyder's Show, College Radio Station simulcast-feeds, non-profits, even small commercial webcasters, etc.,) be able to keep possibly their heads above water?   
(I'm not sure how the new rates and laws have affected internet webcast stations originating outside of the US, like Tony's DivaRadio and Harry & Diana's - The Right Track Soul Radio Show, BBC feeds... etc.)

Keeping it close to home here on SoulfulPlanet with just these examples... for example: if AOL Online Radio closes shop... it would shut down our very own Delmar's AOL Show...
(DJ Delmar Browne In The MIX on AOL Radio) just like that!

Like I've been saying... it's very much a slippery slope thing in action... Internet Radio is very much under attack in an attempt to silence the wide variety of MUSIC that it celebrates!

Make Sense?
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OH LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks for explaining that, Geno.  The slippery slope is a BAD thing.  I hope Delmar et all DO NOT have to shut down!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I'm concerned about how all of this affects us here on Soulful Planet too. 
 
There are many things that I have discussed with our Soulful Planet team to make this place a central hub of communication with streaming music that enhances, rather than steps on the toes of those who are doing it already.
 
I certainly don't want to have to pay for helping promote other people's work.
 
I'd say it's for the birds. . . but birds are currently singing for free.  Let's hope it stays that way.  People have already decided to put winged animals in cages. 
 
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