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All of this sickens me ... the bad business is now hitting too close to home ... music, and all the creative individuals who live it, breathe it, and look to it for their livelihood are getting steamrolled. This is the latest, and worst example of how badly skewed the bottom line reality of "money over reason" in business and government has become.

Back channel deals, and 3 AM rammed-through legislation have been going on for years; of course they have. But things have really gotten out of hand in the last decade ... the notion that the common man has ANY REAL representation in this country is pathetically ridiculous, naiive, and foolish. I've been railing elsewhere in other SP threads about this kind of thing, and each day I feel my core temperature rising over the inequity of it all ...  it's just wrong.

I said it on Gene's blog on his MySpace page ... Toad said it ... the only power we have is in the voting booth. It's always been true, and it sounds silly, but it's all we have left. If you don't have millions to hurl at these opponents, you have to hurt your congressional representatives ... by NOT re-electing them. AND sussing out the ones who are sympathetic to these causes. Unfortunately, this demands a huge chunk of time, energy, and commitment from us, by way of talking these issues up with our friends, co-workers, family members, and acquaintances ... shaking people up, tuning them in, and getting them involved. This kind of information - reading these posts and the VERY VALUABLE information they contain has helped impress upon me the urgency and the problems that surround these issues.

Everything is cyclic in our lives - this includes business and economics. The deals that are struck today will be undone down the road; there's plenty of precident to support this fact. But it's not much comfort when you're getting screwed, and losing opportunity. All I can say to anyone is, be informed, keep your bullshit detector on full blast, vote these greedy bastards out of office, slam your representative's email inbox, and in all other ways don't support the machine that's hurting us.
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Here's another idea.

Where Plain Americans can show The Record Labels, The CRB and the RIAA just who it is they're messing with!


Download our PSAs on the "Don't Buy Into It" Campaign

http://www.iwebradio.net/Dont_Buy_Into_It_Campaign.mp3
http://www.iwebradio.net/DBII-Word_To_The_Artists.mp3


Click to hear it or rightclick and select "Save As" to save to your harddrive.

Get more PSA's about HR-2060 by clicking HERE and play them on your shows. Get the word out about this bill and our movement!

Welcome to the Movement! Are you sick of the RIAA suing any and everyone? Whether they illegally download files or not? Are you fed up with the CRB's ruling destroying your favorite Internet Radio Stations with the outrageous Royalty Fee's they passed? Are you tired of the Record Labels dictating what and who you listen to? Are you tired of the kack their Playing on AM/FM radio? Are you downright pissed off about the pablum your being force-fed by the record companies? Do you hate that they use up the Artists then toss them aside when they don't make them money anymore? Do you hate how they rob your favorite artists blind? Do you want a change?

Have you or someone you know been sued by the RIAA? Has your favorite Internet Radio Station been shut down? Pissed off that the CRB made it impossible for Stations to stay on the Air? Tired of spending $20 on a CD and getting one or two songs you like? Do you hate the lame music being played over and over on AM/FM radio? Do you hate having your music choices dictated to you by Corporations? Sick of the desperate acts of blatant thievery to keep a dying business model alive? Have you had enough yet?
There is something you CAN do about it...

 

Add our Banner to your site! Copy and paste the following code into your page...

What is it about? The "Don't Buy Into It" campaign is a simple way to show just how fed up your are. We are trying to start a movement to Show the Real Instigators...The RECORD LABELS...behind all this just who it is they're messing with. The American Consumer! That's right people...it is WE, not they...who control the market. After watching the RIAA sue everyone from little girls to Deceased elderly people, with little to no proof. Their Gestapo tactics in getting what they want in order to blackmail people into paying up. The time has come for us to say "Enough!" and to show them in the most powerful and direct way possible. How do you think we can do this? After all the Labels are Powerful, Multi-billion dollar corporations. How can we little peons like us possibly do anything to hurt them?!? Its Simple...

For 6 months, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!

Warner Music, EMI, Vivendi Universal and Sony BMG

From October 1st, 2007 to March 1st, 2008...Dont buy CD's, Concert Tickets, Ringtones, MP3's, T-Shirts, Posters...Anything the Record Labels can make a Dime on! We can go for 6 months without Buying their kack...they CAN'T go 6 months without US buying their kack! If you want to really send a message, Hit them where it hurts...hit them in the same place they've been hitting us for years. Hit them in the WALLET! Send a message that we're tired of being bullied, led around by the nose, getting our brains washed with Lie Soap. Pissed off at how they manipulated the Government and CRB to do their bidding. How they screw the artists and totally hose the music. Stand up and show them just what the power of the People really is. Dont support this tyranny any longer! You want choice, you want freedom, you want the music to be real and the Artists vision preserved. Take the "Commerciality" out of the music. Stop treating us like morons and thinking you know what it is we should or shouldnt like!

Get Involved!! Start the Revolution today...get your family and friends involved. Get them to get others involved. DJ's, Netcasters, Podcasters, Listeners...Spread the word about the movement. Lets take back what is rightfully ours. Our dignity and freedom of choice. Send a message to the Record Labels that we're fed up with the lawyers and their Gestapo tactics. Tell them to reign in their dogs, negotiate a fair and equitable Royalty rate so Internet Radio can stay on the air. Send them a message that they exist ONLY because of us and our Money. And that we can take that from them...Let them know we want them to change with the times. Evolve with the world. Quit trying to keep a Dying Business Model alive! You're like Dinosaurs trying to grab every last leaf to survive...after the Meteor has already hit!!! Give the Artists not only a fair shake, but their due! Let the Labels know you wont support them and their tyranny any longer. Tell everyone, everywhere....DON'T BUY INTO IT!

We Can Do it! Gotta Have Music? So you just cant live without spending your money on music huh? Well we have a suggestion that will not only save you money, it will keep money from the Labels and the RIAA! Buy Independant Artists Music This is the first best idea. Help to build up local and Indie Artists and labels not represented by the RIAA. Course it means a little research on your part. Use MySpace, you can checkout alot of new music there. Many great artists arent signed to the Major Labels so you'll get natural, pure music the way the Artists intended. Not what the Labels manufacture to appease the masses. It also lets the labels know they can be replaced!

Buy Used CD's! The Labels get no additional money from the sale of Used CD's and no money from them goes to the RIAA. And you get them for a lot cheaper than the labels charge for the same CD new! Amazon.com, Barnes & Nobles as well as other websites sell used CD's and DVD's. Most new releases are available so you can get the music you want and don't have to support the RIAA or Labels! Artists? Your music will still be heard this way and, if you think about it...would the Labels share any of that revenue with you if they got a chunk of these sales? I doubt it![/quote]

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Originally posted by Jeff Jeff wrote:

All of this sickens me ... the bad business is now hitting too close to home ... music, and all the creative individuals who live it, breathe it, and look to it for their livelihood are getting steamrolled. This is the latest, and worst example of how badly skewed the bottom line reality of "money over reason" in business and government has become.

Back channel deals, and 3 AM rammed-through legislation have been going on for years; of course they have. But things have really gotten out of hand in the last decade ... the notion that the common man has ANY REAL representation in this country is pathetically ridiculous, naiive, and foolish. I've been railing elsewhere in other SP threads about this kind of thing, and each day I feel my core temperature rising over the inequity of it all ...  it's just wrong.

I said it on Gene's blog on his MySpace page ... Toad said it ... the only power we have is in the voting booth. It's always been true, and it sounds silly, but it's all we have left. If you don't have millions to hurl at these opponents, you have to hurt your congressional representatives ... by NOT re-electing them. AND sussing out the ones who are sympathetic to these causes. Unfortunately, this demands a huge chunk of time, energy, and commitment from us, by way of talking these issues up with our friends, co-workers, family members, and acquaintances ... shaking people up, tuning them in, and getting them involved. This kind of information - reading these posts and the VERY VALUABLE information they contain has helped impress upon me the urgency and the problems that surround these issues.

Everything is cyclic in our lives - this includes business and economics. The deals that are struck today will be undone down the road; there's plenty of precident to support this fact. But it's not much comfort when you're getting screwed, and losing opportunity. All I can say to anyone is, be informed, keep your bullshit detector on full blast, vote these greedy bastards out of office, slam your representative's email inbox, and in all other ways don't support the machine that's hurting us.
 
The problem is, most Americans are too lazy, too limited, too dumbed down, too busy, too comfortable, too complacent, and/or too trusting to really read or study the issues or make informed decisions at the polls. Half can't even be bothered to vote. As long as they can eat their Big Macs, drive their SUV's to buy cheap Chinese-made crap at WalMart, and watch their football games, NASCAR, Paris Hilton, Lost, Survivor, and American Idol, they're perfectly happy and couldn't care less about what's happening around them. When several times more people care about who the next American Idol will be or what kind of toilet paper Paris Hilton uses than about what direction this country's taking, it's definitely a sign that something is seriously, seriously wrong, and has been for quite a few years. Even when people do vote, the results can always be manipulated by those in power, a la Diebold or Florida in 2000. Bottom line is, we are in deep, deep shit. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid it will take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to to correct what's wrong with this country. Our Founders weren't thinking about just hunting or target shooting when they wrote that one.
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Animal, Jeff, Toad, Mixey, S. P. A. T. & Everybody, GREAT THOUGHTS and COMMENTS...

Look at this

This site is interesting to help Music Lovers weed out the RIAA associated Major Labels from the genuine INDIE LABELS and INDIE ARTISTS...


"RIAA Radar Search - You can search for particular artists, albums, record labels, and a whole bunch of other crap using the search box on the left. Use the pulldown to select a more specific thing to look for, otherwise it will just run a generic keyword search (which is fine, if you're into that kind of thing.)"

http://www.RIAARadar.com/search.asp - RIAA Radar Search

Try it! I'm sure the RIAA & SoundExtort would not want to see this site get extremely popular!



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Animal,
 
I agree with you that most people are too lazy, stupid, uninformed, and disinterested to be of much use. (I hate that I have this viewpoint, but I've seen little evidence to the contrary.)
 
And it's true that we DO have the power of the voting booth ... but I also know that the particular issues we're talking about here don't disturb enough people yet to make the necessary changes happen. And unfortunately, there are so many bad things happening at this point in time that these issues don't get much traction.  We're all being distracted by the incessant headlines and news reports about Iraq, Healthcare, Bush, the housing market, and the latest terror threat. It's a wonder these issues get any attention at all.
 
What to do? Let's keep doing what we're doing here, for sure. I love reading these stories and checking out the links that you and Gene are posting, and I'm glad you're doing it ... I wish I had more time to ferret out this stuff myself.
 
As for the general population - I think the only way to wake up the lazy, stupid, uninformed, and disinterested individuals and bring them on board is to engage them directly. I believe the most effective, quick, and inexpensive way you can plant a lot of seeds with these folks is by talking up these issues, face to face. Talk to your friends, relatives, and coworkers if you think they don't know about this stuff. Not everyone is a blogger, and again, most folks are hypnotized by daily reports about Iraq and other debacles. When you can start a passionate, rational discussion with someone, it plants a seed ... it might not register immediately, but you've put that information into their heads and that's a start. There are lots of folks who love music, and would love more diversity in the marketplace and on the airwaves, but who do not understand the forces at play here. We can help them out by articulating these issues to them and finding a way to make it resonate with them ... Maybe your uncle has a niece who's trying to be a country singer, and is getting nowhere in her career as an Indie ... somebody's son out there is a really talented songwriter and he can't get his stuff played ...  find these folks. Plant some seeds. Get 'em pissed off.
 
"Educate, agitate, reinforce."
 
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More bad news....
 
RAIN has learned that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit has denied webcasters' "Motion to Stay" the new webcast royalty rates, further dimming Internet radio's hopes against crushing fees  going into effect Sunday, July 15th.
On May 30th, various groups representing webcasters filed an appeal of the Copyright Royalty Board's March 2nd determination on the rates webcasters pay to play copyright music on the Internet.
At that time, DiMA (the Digital Media Association, representing large webcasters), small webcasters, and NPR (National Public Radio) also filed "Motions for Stay," requesting the Court place a hold on the CRB's decision while the appeal progresses (reported in RAIN here).
The Department of Justice (which represents the CRB in defending their decision) and SoundExchange each filed oppositions to the Motion for Stay. (Attorney David Oxenford has more detail on the "Motion for Stay" arguments in his Broadcast Law Blog.)
Apparently, the court's denial of the emergency stay is a very brief "form" order that just says that the parties didn't meet the high burden necessary to establish that a stay should be granted, which include a "likelihood of success on the merits." (In other words, you have to convince the court that you are going to win before you even file your brief or have an argument.)
RAIN will report further on this story later today with updates as frequently as hourly as news develops. (Feel free to use the "Refresh" or "Reload" button on your web browser to look for updates.)
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~Thursday 10:43 AM~ Today From RAIN ...

Webcasters interested in motivating their listeners to action today are invited to use the following copy (as written by SaveNetRadio):


URGENT URGENT URGENT
IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED FOR THURSDAY, JULY 12TH

Time and options are running out for Internet Radio. Late yesterday, the U.S. Court of Appeals DENIED the emergency stay sought on behalf of webcasters, millions of listeners and the artists and music they support.

UNLESS CONGRESS ACTS BY JULY 15th, it is the end of the road for Internet radio.


We are appealing to the millions of Internet radio listeners out there, the webcasters they support and the artists and labels we treasure to rise up and make your voices heard before this vibrant medium is silenced.

This situation is grave, but that makes the message all the simpler and most serious. CALL YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES RIGHT AWAY and urge them to support the "Internet Radio Equality Act." If they've already co-sponsored, thank them and tell them to fight to bring it to the floor for an immediate vote. If the line is busy, call back. Call until you know your voice has been heard. Your voices are what have gotten us this far -- Congress has listened. Now, they are our only hope.

TELL THEM.

We are outmatched by lobbying power and money but we are NOT outmatched by facts and passion and the power of our voices.

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URGENT URGENT URGENT
IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED FOR THURSDAY, JULY 12TH


The exact page of the SaveNetRadio.org website that allows you to look up Congressional office phone numbers is here:
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I've called mine already.
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From FMBQ - http://www.fmqb.com/


Fight For Internet Radio Heats Up July 12, 2007 (developing story - read here)




Tell everybody! CALL!


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The exact page of the SaveNetRadio.org website that allows you to look up Congressional office phone numbers is here:
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(((I too have called this morning also! They were very nice and appreciated the calls.)))) Just do it, call!


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Damn ... unplugged too late from the job to be able to call during business hours ... *!@# ... I will call tomorrow anyway. I'm in the Western Main Line in Pennsylvania and apparently the most important call is to (202) 224-6324 - the Washington, D.C. office of U.S. Senator Robert Casey.
 

 
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We all called to hopefully end the criminal activity.
 
This is the best updated information in one place. Cool!
 
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::::::::::::NEWS FLASH:::::::::::::::
Conflicting late news,,, but SOME positive negotiation "things" are in the works... but... nothing in writing ... so it ain't over yet!

I agree with "Fight RIAA Control" MySpace bulletin... who wrote:


INTERNET RADIO gets a second chance. But don't quit now.
    
Today’s news is fantastic. Internet Radio will NOT go off the air this Sunday.

This is thanks to you great people. You voiced your opinion to Congress. The email's flooded their servers, and phones rang off the hook.

They realized that there is a serious problem with the recent CRB ruling, and under pressure from you, acted. A meeting between Webcasters and Sound Exchange was called today by Rep. Ed Markey of "The House Commerce Committee" and were told to formulate a workable solution.

As it currently stands July 15th will NOT be the last day of Internet Radio, in fact we now have time to formulate a workable solution with Sound Exchange.

Keep in mind that there is NOTHING IN WRITING at this point so don't put those protest banners and emails away just yet. Until something concrete is established we are not totally out of the woods.

I would advise you to continue calling your representatives and emailing them expressing your opinion about the necessity of Internet Radio and the
Diversity and exposure it brings to Listeners and Artists.

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As I said, I agree with the "Fight RIAA Control" MySpace bulletin... The Fight To Save Internet Radio is NOT over... nothing is in writing yet, and...

IMHO, this could very well be a ploy by slithery SoundExtort to diffuse some heat and let some steam out of the engine... and then to later push hard for the "direct deal" which is what the RIAA Major labels really seem to want, which still screws the Artists by cutting them out totally... and still... what about fairness for Non RIAA Indie Labels and Artists issues and level playing fields for all?... What about PBS?... NPR?...etc.

Bottom line, whatever gets decided MUST BE FAIR TO ALL INVOLVED!!!


Keep calling Congress!

The Internet Equality Act needs to be passed,
—or— SoundExchange needs to be abolished as a "royalty collection monarchy" with no alternatives, choices or competition.
(I'm sure ASCAP and BMI, etc. would love to handle all of this fairly to ALL involved.)

TELL EVERYBODY TO KEEP CALLING CONGRESS! and STAY INFORMED and READY to ACT!
This is not over yet ... until ALL details are in writing!

Stay tuned... and CALL CONGRESS... AGAIN & AGAIN!

Peace,
Gene_Leone_Mix


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The exact page of the SaveNetRadio.org website that allows you to look up Congressional office phone numbers is here:
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Gene is right ... this could be a ploy by SoundExtort to get us to drop our guard ... that totally makes tactical sense. The weasels...
 
Everyone:
Call your representatives! Repeatedly!
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~Update:~
It's 11:22am Friday, and I am hard pressed to find much good news in the press thus far that says... or even feels like...
"Internet Radio Is Saved"... I think not... look here:

"Shaken Internet Radio Stations Face Specter of New Fees Sunday"
By Kendra Marr
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 13, 2007; Page D03
Washington Post Current "Internet Radio Article" (Read here)

— and —
"Court refuses to stay hike in royalty for music relayed by internet radio stations"
Posted : Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:16:11 GMT
Author : Anne Roberts
Earthtimes.org (read here)

— and —
Internet Radio Royalty Hikes Delayed -
"SoundExchange said it will extend 1998 royalty rates for small commercial Internet radio companies."
By K.C. Jones
InformationWeek
informationweek.com (read here) "John Simson, executive director of SoundExchange, said in a statement. "This is a major victory for recording artists and record labels whose hard work and creativity provides the music around which the Internet radio business is built. Notwithstanding this victory, we continue to reach out to the Webcasting community to reach business solutions. We look forward to working with our partners, the Webcasters, to grow opportunities across the board for Internet radio operators and recording artists."
"Michael Huppe, general counsel for SoundExchange, said that he thinks this week's ruling indicates that the rate hikes are fair. "The court's decision is a reminder of the extremely thorough and thoughtful process by which the new royalty rates were set," he said.
Representatives for DiMA did not immediately return calls for comments Friday."
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7/13/07     Press Release:
DiMA Thanks Small Business Committee Leaders for Supporting Webcasters - Last night H.R. 3015, was introduced to delay the effective date of the CRB's Internet radio royalty rate decision by 60 days, until September 13, 2007.
~~~ (((Make note: H.R. 3015 appears to be a typo! ??? Google it! What in the world is going on here?!!)))


...Yup, like I said...
KEEP CALLING CONGRESS!!!!!!!!!!


Question:
Is SoundExtort... errr SoundExchange pulling a Rope A Dope move until the weekend gets here... and then, "ooops, it's too late now, sorry folks, pay up"...?

Don't let up just yet!
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Ok, 60 days... 94 more Reps needed...

and...

ALSO!!!! ((( Hi Sue!!! )))

From the Detroit News- Blog House
"Sound Exchange relents, won't make Internet radio pay new rates for music"
Susan Whitall
Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Sound Exchange Relents... by Susan Whitall - Detroit News - Blog House (read here) Sue writes - "This is great news for webcasters, and possibly evidence that the webcasters' public campaign, and constituent pressure on Congress might have worked..."



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It is a privilege to be a member here and discover that our members have taken the time and effort to inform people looking in to our Village about this matter. I Know how it feels to lose a good radio station. In Detroit we had a NPR station [WDET] which played a great line-up of GOOD music for many years. They had fund drives that always made enough money to keep the station healthy. All of a sudden, they change the station over to a full-time talk format and my great music station went up in flames. NOT COOL !!! I can only hope that the efforts to keep internet radio alive will be successful.It is very hard to hear any GOOD MUSIC on any format short of internet radio. All of this Lawyer,lobbyist,big money shit is really pissing me off. It all smacks of Facism to me, and must be addressed.

Thanks to everyone here for keeping everyone informed on this matter. YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!! Clap
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As I stated late last night... "conflicting late news" info, still,
but this article helps clear up some of the... "what is"... at this moment.


"FAQ: Net radio's mixed signals"
By Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: July 13, 2007, 2:32 PM PDT
Last modified: July 13, 2007, 2:56 PM PDT
"FAQ: Net radio's mixed signals" (read here)


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