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    Posted: Aug 04 2011 at 7:17am

          Who has one?Smile   Who needs one?Ouch

     Who produces them?Smile  Who destroys them?Dead
    
       
Everything good that happens in America
 depends on the majority of our people having jobs.
   When people have jobs they make money, and when
 they make money..they spend money. All this earned
 money flows to all sectors of the economy, which in
 effect gives birth to more jobs. It's a cycle that benifits
 everybody in one way or another.
        In a open market the people decide what they wish to spend money on, and what they don't. These
 choices determine which businesses thrive or fail.
  It's a great system, and if it is not altered, it works
 very well to keep us producing goods and services
 we all want and or need.
        The problem for jobs begin when the free market
 is altered in some manner. In this thread we should be
 able to pinpoint all the alterations in the market that
 is causing the loss of jobs we now see in our country.
      The media will give us plenty to discuss about
  jobs, as jobs will be the hottest topic they will be
 reporting on in the next year and a half.
     "Jobs" will be the most repeated word we will hear
 for a very long time. We should also hear the word
 "Markets"too, but not nearly as much. Free markets
 produce jobs, so I think that is why we won't hear
 too much talk about them.
         Let the fun begin.... "Let's talk about JOBS ! "
 
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Toad!!!

Great Idea with this thread on $$ JOBS $$

In light of the mess that this world is in right now,
let's look at jobs, and the demand that creates them
and... what is working right now & what is not... and why.

I just read this article, and I watched the video,
and it is very interesting
from www.nytimes.com:

Even Marked Up, Luxury Goods Fly Off Shelves

By STEPHANIE CLIFFORD
"Nordstrom has a waiting list for a Chanel sequined tweed coat with a $9,010 price.
Neiman Marcus has sold out in almost every size of Christian Louboutin “Bianca” platform pumps, at $775 a pair.
Mercedes-Benz said it sold more cars last month in the United States than it had in any July in five years.
Lissette Gutierrez chose a pair of $1,495 Louis Vuitton shoes at Bergdorf Goodman in Manhattan.
A Gucci coat for $11,950 at Bergdorf Goodman,
where more customers have been willing to pay top dollar for luxury goods..."


"Even with the economy in a funk
and many Americans pulling back on spending,
the rich are again buying designer clothing,
luxury cars and about anything that catches their fancy..."


Read full www.nytimes.com article (click here)


Read full www.nytimes.com article (click here)




Is this a good thing? A positive sign that there is some hope?
Will this current trend last and/or actually trickle down in some way
to help create more $$ Jobs $$ for so many people now unemployed,
trying to scratch by and survive, day to day?

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        When the rich & super rich spend money,
 they may buy from stores in America, but the goods
 they buy are sourced in foreign countries.
       The adverage Joe or Jane in America never sees
 any "Trickle down" money from these rich folks.
        After going through the recession that went on
 during Carter's 4 year term, Reagan made a real big
 move to get our economy fired up again, and nobody
 really knew what he did. The auto business was BIG
 business in those days.
         The big three were having problems selling
 domestic cars because of the japanese hunk of the
 market share & the big three's products were sub-standard. Reagan made a behind-the-scenes deal
 with the big three to put a hold on Japanese imports,
 and allow the big three to charge about a 30% hike
 in car prices, while they had a 2 year window of no
 japanese competition to worry about. The deal also
 infused the big three with enough money and time to
 upgrade their product lines.
      Reagan convinced the japanese to this deal by
 promising them that after the two year period that
 they cut back their imports here, they could expect to
 get 30% more for their cars when the cut back ended.
      Once this deal was started, it was very hard to
 buy a japanese car anywhere in America. Domestic
 sales skyrocketed. Domestic car quality improved,
 and many jobs were created to off-set demand.
    When the two year period was over, suddenly there
 were plenty of new Japanese cars for sale with high
 price tags. Between Reagan's car business hidden
 deal, and his increase in military spending, it raised us
 out of the recession, and ended high inflation.
      This is why when Reagan's two terms were finished,
 The Japanese invited him to Japan for a speaking
 engagement for a week, and paid him 2 million dollars
 for his speech. The two million would have been his salery if he had served a third term. Not bad for a
 little "car deal" eh?
       It takes big deals with big business to get jobs
 going again. It ain't gonna happen with "Trickle down."
      I can't even imagine how much Clinton gleened
 from the Chinese from our one-way trade deal with them. I'm sure he made out REAL good. His wife is
 STILL workin' it... yee ha !
 
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Not A Fucking Thing Anyone can do about the lost jobs.
 
 
 
Here's the equation: a minimum of 150,000 jobs have to be created EACH MONTH
in order for the unemployment percentage to begin shrinking.
 
Last month only 18,000 jobs were created.
 
Worse, companies simply will not hire new employees when the markets are in free-fall
as they are now, and companies cannot make plans for growth due to
all the uncertainty. Three years ago when everything tanked,
many companies had to lay off workers, tighten their belts and figure out
how to keep pace with less cash and fewer workers. That has happened.
Companies regained much of their lost cash when the market rose back up
and are making due with smaller workforces. They've been holding on to
their cash, expecting stormy weather in the near future.
 
The storm has arrived. Dow's down over 500 points and will probably fall
another 100 today. Not exactly helpful if creating new jobs is the goal.
 
Obama's presidency is more and more vulnerable with each passing day.
The (so-called) focus now of politicians is jobs? Again? Give me a break.
 
 
 
 
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Have to agree with your entire post, Jeff.  We are in deep doo doo, and people are struggling more and more every day.  The whole debt ceiling fiasco did not help matters any.  The stalling circus to the last minute hurt us, no doubt.  Obama is VERY vulnerable, and it's a shame the Republicans don't have one viable candidate as yet.  It will be interesting to see who emerges from the pack.  People are nervous, and losing hope daily.  This is not a good scenario for anyone - average American or politician on the stump.
 
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        Small businesses in my city have been going
 out of business since before the year 2000. The only
 ones hanging on are those that aren't financed, and
 have been in the same hands for decades, or they
 are owned by big national chains.
       Yesterday,I drove into downtown, to a circular mall
 of stores right in the middle of the city. I was going
 to a national chain hardware store in the center of
 this mall to buy a gallon of paint thinner.
         IT WAS CLOSED....gone out of business.
   This is turning into a trend in my city, which is about
 15 to 20 miles from the City of Detroit city limits.
      This might sound crazy, but within the city limits
 of Detroit there are NO major chain grocery stores in
 that city. No big box stores either.
      Can you imagine living in a semi-major U.S.city of well over a half million people..and there aren't any
 grocery stores in the whole damn town?
       Our countries first lady has been on a crusade to
 convince people to stop eating fast food. I would like
 to see her make one of those speeches in Detroit.
       One of Obama's plans for increased employment
 is for America to build bullet trains. He could start
 by building one in Detroit. It would only need to go
 one way....out of town.
 
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Hi Toad, Dream, Jeff, Mixey & Everybody!

(((Excellent posts here and in the Debt Thread as well!!!)))

Here's a ABC Nightline report that looks at all of this crap going on and just how sick our economy is right now...

In light of "Jobs", and these badly broken "systems" all around us,
watch this with survival mode engaged while looking at the big picture of the world, and seriously ponder...

What the hell can any of us actually do?

— ABC Nightline —
— ABC Nightline — (Click To Watch)


As I said... Survival mode engaged... but what the hell can any of us actually do? Where did all of the "money" go?
Is it time to re-think "money", and who controls it, or what! ?






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"Is it time to re-think "money", and who controls it, or what! ?"
 
 
Yes it is, Geno.  The "who controls it" part especially.
 
Many U.S. citizens do not know that our U.S. government does not control money,
or monetary policy. PRIVATE CORPORATIONS do.
Or that we - as citizens - have NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over these corporations' acts.
 
I recently explained to my 85 yr. old mother (who is still very much
with it mentally) about The Federal Reserve...
it's birth, those who birthed it and why... about the powerful bankers'
hand-picked Democratic Presedential candidate Woodrow Wilson, the
President who signed The Fed's creation into law over Christmas vacation
in 1913 when nobody was paying attention... about how
Wilson on his deathbed spoke of his great regret at having created
The Federal Reserve, understanding that he gave the keys to the
candy store to powerful bankers... and about how The Fed has a
noose around the neck of America and chokes us every day, just for profit.
 
She really almost refused to believe me. It sounded too crazy to her!
I had to show her other articles about The Federal Reserve. I even
opened a hard copy encyclopedia for her to read.  Mom could hardly believe it.
 
I GUARANTEE YOU - less than half of registered voters understand
who is really pulling the strings in America, and what's motivating them.
If they did, maybe things could be better.
 
 
 
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Well... my income has gone to ZERO... but I have a job here that pays nothing.

Speaking of privately owned...

Who owns the post office? Workers are paid with the money from stamps and shipments. I thought it was our tax dollars that went to support the US Post Offices... apparently not.

Anybody know?

Thanks,

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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha@ Mixey.  Glad to see you have a good sense of humor about it.LOL
 
The answer to your question can be found here - if you want the short answer, scroll down the page to "Governance & Organization".
 
 
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I have to keep my sense of humor Dream, even though I'm in a serious situation at the moment.

I've been down the road to ZERO before, to the point of living in a tent for awhile... then on Welfare... then on to doing pretty well.

Welfare is a very helpful option for people in need. During my working lifetime, before going on Welfare, I paid far more than my share into that system; and I didn't feel embarrassed when I had to pull out my food stamps at the time I needed to receive some help. I did however, receive some unneeded prejudiced commentary from a few ignorant people; but for the most part, people were pretty kind. I remembered those experiences after I pulled myself out and was doing well. I hate it when people look down on those in need!

Now I'm facing ZERO income again. The only difference this time, is that I have a tiny window to try and get something else going. It better be good though, I have to cover a lot of money every month in order not to lose what I've accumulated... and Mom at 86, is not going to be real knocked out about living in a tent... so I have to figure this out fast!

All that being said... no worries about this place going anywhere. We're paid up for a long time as I've said before.

I'll come up with something nuts to make money. It just sort of happens that way with me. The only reason that I have had great swings in income is because I have difficulty controlling myself. If I had been better able to keep myself together, I probably could have been a billionaire already.

We all have reasons why this or that... Mine on the negative, is lack of emotional stability. Lacking in emotional stability is probably also the thing that allows me to laugh in the face of almost utter destruction too though, so maybe the definition of emotional instability should be looked at a little more. I'm pretty good in crisis situations. It's every day life that 's more difficult somehow.

Thanks for the link above. That's the longest Wikipedia article I think I've ever seen! lol Thanks for taking pity on me and telling me where to scroll to.      I think I get it now. Very interesting how the USPS is run and who is responsible. Very good read. I wasn't aware of all of that and how FED EX and UPS were granted permission to compete only for expedited mail... and they can't deliver to regular mail boxes. I thought UPS and Fed Ex just didn't offer those services. I didn't realize that they were not allowed to compete with the USPS monopoly of delivering regular mail to our mail boxes and PO boxes.

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I fully understand your predicament, Mixey, because my situation is similar.  So many of us are struggling financially these days.  I'm sure you will come out on top again.  You have the right spirit and attitude.
 
"Welfare is a very helpful option for people in need. During my working lifetime, before going on Welfare, I paid far more than my share into that system; and I didn't feel embarrassed when I had to pull out my food stamps at the time I needed to receive some help. I did however, receive some unneeded prejudiced commentary from a few ignorant people; but for the most part, people were pretty kind. I remembered those experiences after I pulled myself out and was doing well. I hate it when people look down on those in need! "
 
I couldn't agree more with your statement above.  There are some who defraud the system, but the vast majority do not, and are truly in need.
 
I wish you all the best.  I know you will find something to keep you and your Mom solvent with a roof over your heads.  I wish I was in a position to help you, but unfortunately I'm not.
 
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My two daughters will both have graduated from college by March 2012.
One has actually already graduated, the other is done this coming spring.
 
They've both asked Maggie and me how we were able to get by when we
were their ages (early 20s). What they both see is how much everything
costs, and they recognize how far away they both are from being able to
afford to simply live - pay rent, utilities, car insurance, bills, and buy food.
Neither of them can afford these things on their own with the entry/lower
level jobs they can currently command.
 
They both know that I did not go to college. And yet they recognize that
as a mere high school graduate who mostly worked factory jobs I always
had a job that paid all my bills and still left me with extra cash. As a 21 yr. old.
Maggie also worked factory jobs. She moved out of her parents' home at age seventeen,
got an apartment with a girlfriend, and never looked back.
 
I've had to explain that thirty five years ago - even in a time of bad
inflation and an Arab Oil embargo -  there were still many lower-level
jobs to be had; still many unskilled labor positions that you could grab as
a white high school graduate and work for many years. Jobs that
actually gave you a wage you could get by on.
 
And I've explained that these jobs, by and large, are gone and aren't
coming back, for a variety of reasons. Political decisions and global
market forces have displaced them to foreign countries where unskilled
and younger workers are paid far lower wages than would be paid in the US.
 
My girls see that they have to set their sights much higher than Maggie and I did,
and land very substantial jobs if they're to have any kind of life at all.
They worry constantly and fret over the news that our economy is tanking
and the cost of everything is going up. They see, and I have tried to
explain to them that they must be prepared to reinvent themselves in an
uncertain world, and to be flexible in their careers.
 
 
 
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Dream... Thank you for your understanding and your words of encouragement; and your well wishes. I wish the same for you.

It's nice to know that we have each other here in this place. A collective of people pulling for each other can cause miracles to happen; and I think we have a powerful group here. It will be interesting to see how things go for us in the few months. I think we're all going to be doing really well even in the face of the troubles all around us.

There's a money imbalance in this country. There's not a lack of money. If there was a lack of money we'd really be in bad shape. We just need to even things out a bit and help relieve the super rich of some of that cash that's weighing them down.

Jeff... You've done really well for yourself and your family; and I understand the concerns that you and Maggie and the girls are having.

When I moved out to California from back east in 1978, I was 23. All of a sudden, I experienced working full time and not being able to cover my bills. The rent out here was sky high. Inflation was through the roof.

Now the rest of the country is the same or worse; so I understand first hand your perspective and that of your daughters too. All I can say is that they are lucky they are not pregnant and with the wrong man, like I was, under those conditions.

You're giving them good advice. Flexibility is definitely the key... be water... a martial arts way of expression. (Bruce Lee)

I too have been in many situations from factory work to recording studio work to working in chemistry labs to running my own microscopy lab to being on welfare to managing a martial arts studio to doing freelance art to being a private investigator to being a big box vendor. The last one brought in a good amount of money; but I only could service 1 customer by contract, unfortunately... and now my time with them is over.

We're all going to be fine. Be water...


But... don't be arrogant and cocky in the process. I never met Bruce Lee, so what I know is hear say (but from up close and personal sources). We all have our good points. Bruce Lee had many talents and an insight into the physical world that was correct.

In terms of this thread... be water = be money. Whatever we need to fulfill us we will have, if we focus this way without fear.    

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Mixey Yes!

Let's hope that
there is light at the end of the tunnel...
and, just in case that
it's a train...
remember to be water!

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Blessed are the idiots; for they shall one day inherit a train axle thru the skull.
 
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        This will turn out to be the issue that controls
 if anyone has a job in the near future.
 
 
    His statement: "The fictitious notion about what
 money is & what it should be."
 
     This reflects my earlier posts concerning paper
 money & the perception that it has any true value.
     If the dollar fails, there will be a economic disaster
 all over the world.
     We had better tie our money to something..
 [commodity] or else it's all over..WORLD WIDE.
 
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In the past I have worked a few factory jobs myself.  I did that scene for eight years, and felt smothered by the atmoshpere.   Nothing against people who work there and factory jobs themselves, that is something I can no longer do, and am trying to do everything possible not to go back to one.    Currently I work part time at a record store and only make minimum wage, but the crazy thing is I enjoy every minute of it (although sometime we can get an annoying customer or two, but thats in every customer service job).   My last job was working at an automotive factory making $15 an hour, but I hated every second of that (I'm not there anymore because I got laid off).    Soon I will have to get a second job to suppliment my income.  Like all of you here when it comes to money I have to live very carefully (I dont let that stop me from buying records LOL).   That said whatever happens, happens.  I'm not worried.
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Sounds like you're doing the right thing, MM.  There's nothing worse than working a job you hate, no matter the income.  The record store job sounds perfect for you, because of your love of the music.  I hope you can find a second job in the same field.  It's much better for your health and well being to be doing something you love and thrive on.
 
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MM... I too am really happy that you love your work! That's worth more than being a miserable billionaire!! When you love living your life, it doesn't get any better than that, except for maybe a little more cash in your pocket, while doing the same thing.

Toad... I listened to what Ron Paul was saying, but I'm confused over a solution. I agree with you that tying one's paper $ to something that's really worth something makes a whole lot of sense, but what's the best to tie it to?    I was thinking treasury notes. (not that I have anything to buy them with... but if I did... ) He mentions gold and silver, etc... but not advocating either.

To me (using a common sense head, rather than listening to standard and poors stuff and other data that makes me crazier than I am already)... in times of trouble, the only thing of value that I can think of would be buying a farm. My grandfather did that during the depression. He was able to feed his family and help his neighbors and others who were in a desperate way, because he knew how to work the land.

You can't eat paper, gold or silver, no matter how supposedly valuable it is. Land, seeds and a roof over one's head, seems to be the smartest option in my opinion. If you have those things, you can become an employer for a whole community of people who need the same basic needs.

There's value in having what helps oneself and those around us. The barter system is all we have, when money crashes, IMO.

Geno... That train thing is REALLY crazy! If I did that, it would take 2 seconds for my hair to fly up and wrap around something under there. The kid needs a job! lol

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